[Matroska-general] Re: [gst-devel] Gstreamer and matroska - the opensource answer to VideoforWindows/AVI and Quicktime/MOV ?
kost at imn.htwk-leipzig.de
Fri Feb 20 17:09:34 CET 2004
Do you really don't know what a matroska is?
Personaly it find that name quite cool for a (recursive) media *container*.
Gustavo J. A. M. Carneiro wrote:
> I wish I could be sufficiently well informed to make insightful
> comments about this issue. Since I'm not, I can only comment on the
> name. 'matroska' is a really poor name. It doesn't mean anything to
> most people. And what would the adopted file extension? That's a
> rhetorical question, as I'm sure it would sound bad.
> Why can't open source projects come up with better names? GStreamer,
> for example, is a good name. It is all about media pipelines. For a
> multimedia container format, why can't you come up with a better name,
> like Extensible Media Stream (.ems), or something like that.
> Another question, how does the matroska container relate to the
> generic (and also poorly named) OGG container? Is it really technically
> better? I'm just asking, I have no idea.
> Best regards.
> A Qua, 2004-02-18 às 15:27, Christian HJ Wiesner escreveu:
>>this email is more to be seen as a brainstorming rather than an
>>announcement or the like. My excuses go to the Gstreamer guys about
>>copying their list, i dont know if they are interested in this kind of
>>thinking at all.
>>I was recently becoming aware that matroska's only hope to become
>>established as standard, if this is ever going to happen, is versatility
>>and flexibility. In short, to become a 100% replacement for good old
>>AVI, currently the most used container format out there, probably on
>>rivalled by MPEG. The reason this container is/was used so much can be
>>explained when knowing its the standard container for VfW ( Video for
>>Windows ), Redmond's old Media Framework. http://fourcc.org and
>>http://abcavi.com give a pretty good impression how many different audio
>>and video codecs had been developed for this framework in the past,
>>obviously because of M$'s domination in the Multimedia scene and the
>>sheer number of copies out in the wild. Now, as we all are well aware,
>>both VCM ( the video codec API ) and ACM ( the audio codec API ) are
>>completely outdated and can not support most of the modern compression
>>formats anymore, leading to a number of problems and incompatibilities,
>>of which VBR MP3 async and the 'packed bitstream' hack are the two most
>>obvious to name.
>>The successor of VfW, DirectShow, has never played the same role if it
>>comes to video editing and video creation/encoding, due to a number of
>>pretty bad limitations with respect to accessing the chain once its
>>started. In short, DShow is wanting to much automatism here, stealing
>>developers the possibilitites they request if they code a video
>>application based on it. For this reason, DShow is today mainly used for
>>playback and capturing.
>>The big 'competitor' to VfW has always been Quicktime in the past, with
>>MOV as the standard container. It is very well implemented into Mac's,
>>and like DirectShow for Windows it can be seen as a fixed part of the
>>OS. Its coming with a nice, open video and audio codec API also, which
>>is much more powerful then VCM/ACM, and same is valid for the container.
>>However, there is no working implementation of Quicktime ( the framework
>>) for Linux, at least i am not aware of such, and the Windows
>>implementation of it sucks badly ( not to mention its payware if it
>>should do more than just playback ).
>>I was recently thinking that Gstreamer and matroska together could
>>become the opensource counterpart to both of the framework/container
>>combinations listed above, and am asking for opinions on this ? Once we
>>really succeed in porting Gstreamer to win32 ( maybe even MacOSX in
>>future ? ), and come up with a powerful but not overly complex codec
>>API, sitting on top of the gstreamer plugin API ( via a wrapper ), do
>>you think codec developers could actually consider supporting this API,
>>chosing MKV as their 'preferred' container ?
>>DivX.com have plans to release DivX6 from AVI and VCM, as well as from
>>the MPEG4 standard in general. They have plans for a new, DivX6 specific
>>container format i heard, and want to establish themselves as a new
>>video standard that way, even with hardware support. Good luck, thats
>>all i can say here. They would probably be better off to use their
>>existing market power and support us to become the first true x-platform
>>media framework and media format ? The reason DivX became so big is
>>simply because it could be used from Virtualdub, and in AVI as a well
>>supported container. If they now try to establish their own stuff,
>>supported only by a small number of apps, and everything coded by
>>themselves, they are very likely to fail IMO. Look at Real Networks,
>>they understood this and went all the way back, trying to offer Helix as
>>another universal framework, advertising it in the OSS scene even, and
>>with great x-platform support, but still limited in terms of supported
>>formats in it, and with only one ( for win32 sucky ) player for it.
>>I am well aware gstreamer doesnt need matroska at all. Your way is
>>clear, becoming the best media framework for the Linux world, and you
>>guys wont mind if your project is ported to other OSes also, as this can
>>only help you to achieve your goals, for sure. You could also settle for
>>MOV as standard container, as there are currently no features realized
>>in matroska that MOV cant do also, or have no standard container at all.
>>On the other hand, you could win a couple of contributors and fans with
>>such an 'alliance', if you allow me to name it like that. Opinions
>>please, and use the 'reply all' button if i may ask for that, to copy
>>both lists. Stupid idea ? Useless ? Possible ? Tell me what you think ....
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