From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Jul  1 12:02:00 2005
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 12:02:00 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mkvtoolnix 1.5.0 released
Message-ID: <200507011202.05407.moritz@bunkus.org>

Hey guys,

It's been over two and a half months since the last release, and that's
quite a long time. But here it is: MKVToolNix v1.5.0.

This release contains a couple of new features (splitting after
arbitrary timecodes and muxing of USF subtitles) and tons of bug fixes.

The usual links to...
...the home page:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
...the sources:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/mkvtoolnix-1.5.0.tar.bz2
...the Windows Unicde binaries:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-unicode-1.5.0-setup.exe

The other binaries are all available from the home page.

Here's the ChangeLog of what I've done in those past ten weeks:
-----------------------------------------
2005-06-26  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: The track language read from old Matroska
	files was wrongfully set to "und" if it was not written although
	the specs say that "eng" is the default value.

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: USF subtitles: If identical tags were nested
	(e.g. "font") and both were closed right after each other then the
	result looked like "</font/>".

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: Native MPEG-4 was not working if read from
	OGM files.

2005-06-24  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mmg: new feature: Added an input box for mkvmerge's new "split
	after these timecodes" feature.

2005-06-16  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: bug fixes: Improved the native MPEG-4 generation a lot
	(thanks to Haali for testing and pushing me). The codec version
	string inside the MPEG-4 initialization data is now checked if it
	indicates "DivX packed bitstream" and changed to not indicate it
	anymore.

2005-06-07  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mmg: bug fix: If mmg was minimized when it was closed (e.g. with
	Windows' "Show desktop" function) then it didn't show up after a
	restart and could only be shown by maximizing it.

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: If a OGM style chapter file contains empty
	chapter names ('CHAPTER01NAME=' without something after the '=')
	then this chapter's timecode is used as the name instead of
	aborting.

2005-06-05  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: new feature: Added splitting after specific
	timecodes.

2005-06-04  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge, mkvinfo, mkvextract: bug fix: Inifite sized segments
	were not handled correctly.

2005-05-23  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mmg: bug fix: On Windows mmg could be crashed by adding a file
	and clicking into the empty space in the "track" selection
	box. Fixes Anthill bug 133.

	* mkvextract: new feature: Implemented the extraction of USF
	subtitles.

	* mkvmerge: new feature: Implemented the muxing of USF subtitles.

2005-05-17  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvextract: bug fix: The MPEG packets are now padded to 2048
	byte boundaries as some programs require them to be. Patch by  
	Mike Matsnev (see AUTHORS).

2005-05-07  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvinfo: bug fix: Removed the restriction of max. ten levels of
	nested elements.

	* mmg: bug fix: If splitting was enabled and "splitting by time"
	selected and the user chose "new" from the "File" menu then
	"splitting by time" was not selectable anymore. This happened
	only on Windows. Fixes Anthill bug 131.

2005-05-05  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvextract: bug fix: Use the native newline style when
	extracting text subtitles (\r\n on Windows and \n on all other
	systems).

	* mkvextract: bug fix: SSA/ASS text was missing in the output if
	the "Format=" line contained newlines at the end of the
	CodecPrivate data (e.g. our old Mew Mew sample file).

2005-05-03  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: new feature: Added support for the ChapterSegmentUID
	element.

2005-04-29  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: Support WAV files that use other RIFF chunks
	than the usual "fmt " followed by "data".

2005-04-18  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: Remuxing MPEG1/2 tracks resulted in a failing
	"assert(0)".
-----------------------------------------

Have fun :)

Mosu

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Jul  1 20:20:18 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 11:20:18 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-general] Question on GStreamer for Windows
In-Reply-To: <BFEIIOOKEADPIDMCAIPECEACEJAA.barady@radtime.com>
References: <BFEIIOOKEADPIDMCAIPECEACEJAA.barady@radtime.com>
Message-ID: <42C58962.3080205@free.fr>

Bruce A. Rady wrote:
> Hello  *Zaheer Abbas Merali* :
>  
> I am trying to get GStreamer running under Windows and I noticed your 
> name on the GStreamer web site in the dev mailing lists.  Could you 
> please provide us some help?  The primary question is below.
>  
> We have succesfully compiled and installed Steve Lhomme's modified 
> libraries from his debug source code and have installed all the Gnu 
> tools (flex, etal.) and added them to the path (actually, Dev Studio's 
> directories).  We are using Dev Studio .NET 2003 (Version 7.1.3008) 
> under Win XP.
>  
> The problem we are getting is the following (occurs when compiling 
> libgstreamer project):
>  
>     t:\GStreamer\gstreamer-0.8.10\gst\gst.c(487) : error C2065: 'LIBDIR' 
> : undeclared identifier
>  
> This is probably something very simple.  Thanx in advance for any help 
> anyone on the mailing list can give.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> Bruce Rady
> barady at radtime.com <mailto:barady at radtime.com>

Maybe something was added recently to the config file. But I have no 
time right now to look at GStreamer. Try to look at that .c file at that 
line see what it is...

Steve


From christian at matroska.org  Sun Jul  3 13:03:25 2005
From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 13:03:25 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Question on GStreamer for Windows
In-Reply-To: <42C5F300.80408@free.fr>
References: <BFEIIOOKEADPIDMCAIPEMEALEJAA.barady@radtime.com>
	<42C5F300.80408@free.fr>
Message-ID: <42C7C5FD.7010801@matroska.org>

Steve Lhomme schrieb:

> Bruce A. Rady wrote:
>> Steve
>> We now have the GStreamer build up on Windows.  In addition to 
>> commenting out LIBDIR (which seems to be unused), we also had to add 
>> gst_marshal_VOID__BOXED_OBJECT to \Win32\gstreamer.def.
>> Now we are looking for a player or example application that runs under 
>> Windows.  Do you or anyone else on the list have any suggestions?
>> Bruce Rady
> 
> 
> Unfortunately no.
> 
> I think some other matroska guys had a look recently to make output 
> sinks for GStreamer on Windows, but I don't know the status of that...

John 'Spyder' Cannon started to look into this recently, but he couldnt 
build Gstreamer on Windows and thus started working with it on his Linux 
box IIRC. Could you guys commit your changes to Gstreamer CVS already ?

We are currently facing serious problems with compatibility issues of 
our DShow playback pack for matroska ( appr. 1.5 Mio downloads meanwhile 
), there are just too many codec packs and strange DShow filters out 
there coded by people who dont care at all about the DShow necessities, 
resulting in PCs which finally cant play a single video file anymore.

Gstreamer could be the solution to all the problems, once we manage it 
to work on Windows. Right now Steve is working on VLC, as the fastest 
way out of our current playback dilemma.

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org


From spyder at matroska.org  Sun Jul  3 17:14:19 2005
From: spyder at matroska.org (John Cannon)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:14:19 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] Question on GStreamer for Windows
In-Reply-To: <42C7C5FD.7010801@matroska.org>
References: <BFEIIOOKEADPIDMCAIPEMEALEJAA.barady@radtime.com>	<42C5F300.80408@free.fr>
	<42C7C5FD.7010801@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <42C800CB.7010409@matroska.org>

ChristianHJW wrote:

> Steve Lhomme schrieb:
>
>> Bruce A. Rady wrote:
>>
>>> Steve
>>> We now have the GStreamer build up on Windows.  In addition to 
>>> commenting out LIBDIR (which seems to be unused), we also had to add 
>>> gst_marshal_VOID__BOXED_OBJECT to \Win32\gstreamer.def.
>>> Now we are looking for a player or example application that runs 
>>> under Windows.  Do you or anyone else on the list have any suggestions?
>>> Bruce Rady
>>
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately no.
>>
>> I think some other matroska guys had a look recently to make output 
>> sinks for GStreamer on Windows, but I don't know the status of that...
>
>
> John 'Spyder' Cannon started to look into this recently, but he 
> couldnt build Gstreamer on Windows and thus started working with it on 
> his Linux box IIRC. Could you guys commit your changes to Gstreamer 
> CVS already ?
>
> We are currently facing serious problems with compatibility issues of 
> our DShow playback pack for matroska ( appr. 1.5 Mio downloads 
> meanwhile ), there are just too many codec packs and strange DShow 
> filters out there coded by people who dont care at all about the DShow 
> necessities, resulting in PCs which finally cant play a single video 
> file anymore.
>
> Gstreamer could be the solution to all the problems, once we manage it 
> to work on Windows. Right now Steve is working on VLC, as the fastest 
> way out of our current playback dilemma.
>
> Christian
> matroska project admin
> http://www.matroska.org
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general
>
I did build gstreamer 0.8.10 with VC.NET 2003 but it failed to load most 
of the core plugins even.  I would be very interested in your changes.  
As for a sample app, you should be able to use gst-launch and build a 
simple pipeline with fakesrc and fake sink I think.

John Cannon


From jmllr at email.com  Sun Jul  3 18:25:39 2005
From: jmllr at email.com (J-M LL-R)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 11:25:39 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] problems in the visualization
Message-ID: <20050703162539.76AEB1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>

Hi there,

I downloaded a 700 MB file in .mkv format and when I try to play the file
that freezes after 3 seconds of just hear the voice and not being able to
see any image.

Why can't I visualize anything if I did download the latest Martoska code
pack?.

What's going on?. Could you please help me out on this regard so
important to visualize any file in .mkv format?

Thanks for all in advance.

The 700 MB file is the second half of this years' NBA finals (game 1) in
HDTV  that I found in the emule program.

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sun Jul  3 23:05:09 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 14:05:09 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-general] problems in the visualization
In-Reply-To: <20050703162539.76AEB1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
References: <20050703162539.76AEB1CE303@ws1-6.us4.outblaze.com>
Message-ID: <42C85305.9050805@free.fr>



J-M LL-R wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I downloaded a 700 MB file in .mkv format and when I try to play the 
> file that freezes after 3 seconds of just hear the voice and not being 
> able to see any image.
> 
> Why can't I visualize anything if I did download the latest Martoska 
> code pack?.
> 
> What's going on?. Could you please help me out on this regard so 
> important to visualize any file in .mkv format?
> 
> Thanks for all in advance.
> 
>  
> 
> The 700 MB file is the second half of this years' NBA finals (game 1) in 
> HDTV  that I found in the emule program.

If the codec used is not RealVideo you may try VLC 0.8.2 
(http://www.videolan.org/).

Otherwise load your file in MatroskaDiag (found in our full pack) and 
send the log here.


From chris at matroska.org  Sat Jul  9 19:13:48 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:13:48 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Fwd: GStreamer successfully compiled for
	windows.
In-Reply-To: <98513bea0507072105266bca2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1120467496.8470.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>	
	<98513bea05070409145d34a19@mail.gmail.com>
	<42CD2EE0.7090307@xeris.cz>
	<98513bea0507072105266bca2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42D005CC.2050905@matroska.org>


Michal,

how do you plan to add Windows sinks to your MingW compile ? Please note 
that we are having a couple of DirectShow/DirectX Pro's hanging out in 
the #matroska channel on irc.corecodec.com , in case you needed help or 
assistance.

Regards

Christian


John Cannon schrieb:

>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>From: Michal Benes <michal.benes at xeris.cz>
>Date: Jul 7, 2005 8:32 AM
>Subject: Re: GStreamer successfully compiled for windows.
>To: John Cannon <spyder482 at gmail.com>
>
>
>Hi John,
>
>    I had less time then I hoped so the HOWTO is not quite finished
>(gst-plugins and gst-ffmpeg parts are missing), but they are easier than
>gstreamer core.
>
>    The HOWTO can be found at
>http://www.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~benes/gstreamer-win/winstreamer.html
>Tomorrow, I will try to finish it and I will look closer at the sinks.
>
>    Regarding the player, yes it will be opensource, but it will also be
>as simple as possible (file chooser, play, pasue, stop). I mean it
>really only as a tech-demo. The most complicated will be probably the
>sinks (which will be also OSS, but we (Xeris) want to use them in our
>project).
>
>       Michal
>
>John Cannon wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Awesome!
>>
>>Let me know when the HOWTO is ready and I can work on fixing the other
>>ffmpeg codecs maybe.  It's OK by me not to use Visual Studio.  As for
>>the player, I would be happy to help out if it will be open source.
>>
>>On 7/4/05, Michal Benes <michal.benes at xeris.cz> wrote:
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>       I have been recently in contact with Bruce (barady at radtime.org) who is
>>>also compiling GStreamer for Windows. In our company, we have decided to
>>>not use VisualStudio so I can help with it much now. But I was able to
>>>compile
>>>GStreamer, gst-plugins and gst-ffmpeg by MinGW.
>>>
>>>       I have not tested it much so far, but I am able to run
>>>
>>>       gst-launch-0.8.exe videotestsrc ! ffenc_mpeg1video ! avimux !
>>>filesink
>>>location=test.avi
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>       gst-launch-0.8.exe sinesrc ! ffenc_mp2 ! ffmux_mpeg ! filesink
>>>location=test.mpg
>>>
>>>       Unfortunately, many ffmpeg codecs crash but you know much more
>>>about them than I do.
>>>
>>>       Now, I am writing a detailed HOWTO. After that I will go with it to
>>>gst-devel and I will fill some bugs to bugzilla.
>>>
>>>       I would be much interested to join Your effort to write
>>>      
>>>
>audio and video
>  
>
>>>sinks for Windows and build "proof of the concept" multiplatform video
>>>player (preferably with wxwindows toolkit).
>>>
>>>       Regards
>>>
>>>               Michal
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>



From christian at matroska.org  Sat Jul  9 20:46:38 2005
From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW)
Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 20:46:38 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Streaming mpeg4 video, ogg container
In-Reply-To: <20050706083738.GA13016@imsmail.imsmail.org>
References: <20050706083738.GA13016@imsmail.imsmail.org>
Message-ID: <42D01B8E.1030701@matroska.org>

Stephen Birch schrieb:
> Has anyone streamed mp4 to xine yet?  Using a hardware encoder to
> generate raw MPEG4 data and would like to view the stream on a remote
> computer using xine.
> The plan is to use the ogg container.
> That would mean the stream would need to flow to the xine udp input then
> to the ogg demux and into the mpeg4 decoder.
> Does this make sense or should I use a different container?
> Steve

MPEG4 video in OGG container is nothing but a hack without real specs, 
called OGM, and without any support from Xiph. None of the existing OGG 
streaming servers ( Icecast ) support this. You should definitely use 
DARWIN and the MP4 container for that, or at least matroska in native 
MPEG4 video mode ( not VfW mode ), if you manage to create a streaming 
server for it ;) .....

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org


From wolfburns at gmail.com  Sun Jul 10 07:40:42 2005
From: wolfburns at gmail.com (Jimmy Jarrell)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:40:42 -0400
Subject: [Matroska-general] Error opening a MKV file
Message-ID: <7e394ce305070922401cbf12e4@mail.gmail.com>

I have installed all the approipriate codecs and I am also using TCMP as 
well as MPC but I still get this error: "First element in file is not EBML." 
I have done some research on your website as well as around the web but I 
haven't been able to find a fix. Any help you can give me would be very 
appreciated.

-- 
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From chris at matroska.org  Sun Jul 10 10:01:14 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:01:14 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [sales-e] Support Question : please add
 support for matroska audio/video container format, .MKV extension
In-Reply-To: <20041018114725.2DB7.GRAVES@pegasys-inc.com>
References: <416EF0B0.7030906@matroska.org>
	<20041018114725.2DB7.GRAVES@pegasys-inc.com>
Message-ID: <42D0D5CA.4020607@matroska.org>


Dear Sirs,

i am happy to tell you that our format is on a very good way to replace 
old, outdated AVI. Our matroska packs do show *more than 1.6 Million 
downloads* meanwhile, http://www.matroska.org is getting *8 Million 
unique hits* per year, and MKV is slowly getting adapted in many 
encoding apps and video editors. Your point is moot, as we were not 
asking you to include a matroska parser into TMPG, but only to add the 
EXTENSION ( .mkv ) in the list of supported/recognized video formats. 
TMPG could open MKV files just fine with out old DirectShow splitter, 
and we are investigating right now why it doesnt work anylonger with our 
current splitter filter.

As another possibility, is there a way to add MKV as a supported video 
format by changing a registry setting in TMPGencoder ? That way our 
DirectShow pack could check for the existence of TMPG on the users PC, 
and add .MKV to the list of supported formats. This is possible and done 
with WMP 10 by the way, and works great for us.

In return for your cooperation, we can offer to add a dedicated 
MKV-to-DVD Guide page on our homepage ( http://www.matroska.org ) and a 
long News entry concerning this. Thanks in advance for your assistance.

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org

Olivier GRAVES schrieb:

>Dear Sir,
>
>Thank you for your mail.
>
>We do not have any intention of including the MKV extension in your
>software. The reason is you are not a recognized entity, therefore the
>responsability in case of copyright or license infrigement cannot be
>clearly  established making the adoption or inclusion of your format in
>our software risky. In case you wish our software support such format
>you should consider to develop a VFAPI plug-in. The responsability will
>bear to the VFAPI maker only and it aslo open your format to other
>software.
>
>Yours Faithfully,
>  
>

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From chris at matroska.org  Sun Jul 10 10:09:16 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:09:16 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-devel] Error opening a MKV file
In-Reply-To: <7e394ce305070922401cbf12e4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7e394ce305070922401cbf12e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42D0D7AC.2090800@matroska.org>

Jimmy,

i am sorry to say that your file has likely been corrupted. I recommend 
you to load mkvtoolnix from http://mkvtoolonix.matroska.org , start the 
GUI ( mmg.exe ) and load your file in there. If mmg doesnt recognize it 
as MKV file, its corrupt.

Christian
matroska project admin


Jimmy Jarrell schrieb:

> I have installed all the approipriate codecs and I am also using TCMP 
> as well as MPC but I still get this error: "First element in file is 
> not EBML."  I have done some research on your website as well as 
> around the web but I haven't been able to find a fix.  Any help you 
> can give me would be very appreciated.
> Jimmy "WolfBurns" Jarrell




From sgbirch at imsmail.org  Sun Jul 10 11:49:27 2005
From: sgbirch at imsmail.org (Stephen Birch)
Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 02:49:27 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Streaming mpeg4 video, ogg container
In-Reply-To: <42D01B8E.1030701@matroska.org>
References: <20050706083738.GA13016@imsmail.imsmail.org>
	<42D01B8E.1030701@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <20050710094927.GE10130@imsmail.imsmail.org>

ChristianHJW(christian at matroska.org)@2005-07-09 20:46:
> Stephen Birch schrieb:
> >Has anyone streamed mp4 to xine yet?  Using a hardware encoder to
> >generate raw MPEG4 data and would like to view the stream on a remote
> >computer using xine.
> >The plan is to use the ogg container.
> >That would mean the stream would need to flow to the xine udp input then
> >to the ogg demux and into the mpeg4 decoder.
> >Does this make sense or should I use a different container?
> >Steve
> 
> MPEG4 video in OGG container is nothing but a hack without real specs, 
> called OGM, and without any support from Xiph. None of the existing OGG 

I read through the ogg specs and it seems to be a well designed
container capable of carrying any audio/visual content.  Its also KISS
which I like a great deal.

> streaming servers ( Icecast ) support this. You should definitely use 
> DARWIN and the MP4 container for that, or at least matroska in native 

I couldn't find specs for the "MP4 container" either.  I was actually
hoping to use theora.  I am sick to death of technology being built on
patented software.

IMHO We should pass a law that prevents STANDARDS from being built on
patented or propriotary technology.  The way we do it at the moment is
insane.  If a technique isn't widely available because of patents it
should not be eligible to be a standard.

> MPEG4 video mode ( not VfW mode ), if you manage to create a streaming 
> server for it ;) .....

Matroska ... who is behind that one?  I see you are the project admin,
but what is it all about?

> 
> Christian
> matroska project admin
> http://www.matroska.org

Thanks for answering, Christian.  Streaming video isnt rocket science
and I am irritated by the high degree of confusion out there.



From paul at msn.com  Mon Jul 11 07:42:25 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Atamido)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Streaming mpeg4 video, ogg container
In-Reply-To: <20050710094927.GE10130@imsmail.imsmail.org>
References: <20050706083738.GA13016@imsmail.imsmail.org>	<42D01B8E.1030701@matroska.org>
	<20050710094927.GE10130@imsmail.imsmail.org>
Message-ID: <42D206C1.3010906@msn.com>

Stephen Birch wrote:
> ChristianHJW(christian at matroska.org)@2005-07-09 20:46:
>>MPEG4 video in OGG container is nothing but a hack without real specs, 
>>called OGM, and without any support from Xiph. None of the existing OGG 
> 
> 
> I read through the ogg specs and it seems to be a well designed
> container capable of carrying any audio/visual content.  Its also KISS
> which I like a great deal.

Well, sorta.  Ogg was designed specifically to carry Vorbis.  And while 
I prefer the design principles of Matroska more, Ogg has a lower 
overhead for low-bitrate audio, like Vorbis.

Beyond Vorbis, there are specifications for Ogg to also include the 
audio codecs Speex and Flac, and the video codecs Theora and Tarkin 
(non-existent).  No other audio or video codecs have specs for placement 
in Ogg.

OGM is an interesting hack to get codecs supported by VFW (Video For 
Windows) into an Ogg stream.  It is more or less just wrapping AVI 
inside of Ogg.  There are a few problems with this, including 
ridiculously high overhead.  But the primary problem is this "method" 
exists nowhere in the official specs, and in fact doesn't really have 
any specs to speak of.

As far as KISS, there are other solutions that fit this model much 
better than OGM.

>>streaming servers ( Icecast ) support this. You should definitely use 
>>DARWIN and the MP4 container for that, or at least matroska in native 
> 
> 
> I couldn't find specs for the "MP4 container" either.  I was actually
> hoping to use theora.  I am sick to death of technology being built on
> patented software.

You have to pay money to get a hold of the specs for MP4 from the ISO. 
(Or know what to search for in Google)  If you are using Theora, this a 
codec that is native to Ogg, so you shouldn't have an issue with it.

> Matroska ... who is behind that one?  I see you are the project admin,
> but what is it all about?

Matroska is a project to develop an open container that is free for 
anyone to use.  It was designed specifically to be a general container 
for playback and editing, however it shouldn't have any issues with 
being used for streaming video.

> Thanks for answering, Christian.  Streaming video isnt rocket science
> and I am irritated by the high degree of confusion out there.

There is a lot of confusion, and getting it to work can be a real pain 
in the butt.  But if you are willing to put in the time, you can really 
do a lot.


Atamido



From ml at mathrick.org  Mon Jul 11 02:26:04 2005
From: ml at mathrick.org (Maciej Katafiasz)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 02:26:04 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [gst-devel] Re: Fwd: GStreamer successfully
	compiled for windows.
In-Reply-To: <42D005CC.2050905@matroska.org>
References: <1120467496.8470.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<98513bea05070409145d34a19@mail.gmail.com> <42CD2EE0.7090307@xeris.cz>
	<98513bea0507072105266bca2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<42D005CC.2050905@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <1121041564.4708.15.camel@megumi>

Dnia 09-07-2005, sob o godz. 19:13 +0200, Christian HJ Wiesner napisa?:
> > Regarding the player, yes it will be opensource, but it will also be
> >as simple as possible (file chooser, play, pasue, stop). I mean it
> >really only as a tech-demo. The most complicated will be probably the
> >sinks (which will be also OSS, but we (Xeris) want to use them in our
> >project).

Great to hear you're continuing your work on Win32 sinks. However, you
should be aware that in current 0.8, MinGW builds of most plugins aren't
usable, due to the way library dependencies are done (gst depends on
unresolved symbols, that works with POSIX, but win32 refuses to work).
It has been corrected in 0.9, and would be also possible to do in 0.8,
however the amount of maintenance work has stopped anyone from doing
that so far. So if you choose MinGW as your devel environment, you
should prepare for some pain.
MSVC builds don't have that problem, as they are built in a completely
different way.

Cheers,
Maciej

-- 
Being really good at C++ is like being really good at using rocks to
sharpen sticks. (Thant Tessman)
--------
Maciej Katafiasz <ml at mathrick.org>
http://mathrick.org



From paul at msn.com  Mon Jul 11 07:42:25 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Atamido)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 00:42:25 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Streaming mpeg4 video, ogg container
In-Reply-To: <20050710094927.GE10130@imsmail.imsmail.org>
References: <20050706083738.GA13016@imsmail.imsmail.org>	<42D01B8E.1030701@matroska.org>
	<20050710094927.GE10130@imsmail.imsmail.org>
Message-ID: <BAY106-DAV141B1305D9767A9BF65032CDDC0@phx.gbl>

Stephen Birch wrote:
> ChristianHJW(christian at matroska.org)@2005-07-09 20:46:
>>MPEG4 video in OGG container is nothing but a hack without real specs, 
>>called OGM, and without any support from Xiph. None of the existing OGG 
> 
> 
> I read through the ogg specs and it seems to be a well designed
> container capable of carrying any audio/visual content.  Its also KISS
> which I like a great deal.

Well, sorta.  Ogg was designed specifically to carry Vorbis.  And while 
I prefer the design principles of Matroska more, Ogg has a lower 
overhead for low-bitrate audio, like Vorbis.

Beyond Vorbis, there are specifications for Ogg to also include the 
audio codecs Speex and Flac, and the video codecs Theora and Tarkin 
(non-existent).  No other audio or video codecs have specs for placement 
in Ogg.

OGM is an interesting hack to get codecs supported by VFW (Video For 
Windows) into an Ogg stream.  It is more or less just wrapping AVI 
inside of Ogg.  There are a few problems with this, including 
ridiculously high overhead.  But the primary problem is this "method" 
exists nowhere in the official specs, and in fact doesn't really have 
any specs to speak of.

As far as KISS, there are other solutions that fit this model much 
better than OGM.

>>streaming servers ( Icecast ) support this. You should definitely use 
>>DARWIN and the MP4 container for that, or at least matroska in native 
> 
> 
> I couldn't find specs for the "MP4 container" either.  I was actually
> hoping to use theora.  I am sick to death of technology being built on
> patented software.

You have to pay money to get a hold of the specs for MP4 from the ISO. 
(Or know what to search for in Google)  If you are using Theora, this a 
codec that is native to Ogg, so you shouldn't have an issue with it.

> Matroska ... who is behind that one?  I see you are the project admin,
> but what is it all about?

Matroska is a project to develop an open container that is free for 
anyone to use.  It was designed specifically to be a general container 
for playback and editing, however it shouldn't have any issues with 
being used for streaming video.

> Thanks for answering, Christian.  Streaming video isnt rocket science
> and I am irritated by the high degree of confusion out there.

There is a lot of confusion, and getting it to work can be a real pain 
in the butt.  But if you are willing to put in the time, you can really 
do a lot.


Atamido


From michal.benes at xeris.cz  Mon Jul 11 11:22:53 2005
From: michal.benes at xeris.cz (Michal Benes)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 11:22:53 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Fwd: GStreamer successfully compiled for
	windows.
In-Reply-To: <42D005CC.2050905@matroska.org>
References: <1120467496.8470.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<98513bea05070409145d34a19@mail.gmail.com> <42CD2EE0.7090307@xeris.cz>
	<98513bea0507072105266bca2c@mail.gmail.com>
	<42D005CC.2050905@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <1121073773.8975.23.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

	my idea is to write simple sinks by modifying existing GStreamer sinks
and cutting and pasting DirectX example code into them. Once we have
something that works, people who understand DirectX may improve the
DirectX part and people who understand GStreamer may improve the
GStreamer part. I will test this approach on the audio sink I am writing
now (unfortunately I am stuck at DirectSoundEnumerate crashes now). I
will let you know if I have any progress.
	

	Michal



Christian HJ Wiesner p??e v So 09. 07. 2005 v 19:13 +0200:
> Michal,
> 
> how do you plan to add Windows sinks to your MingW compile ? Please note 
> that we are having a couple of DirectShow/DirectX Pro's hanging out in 
> the #matroska channel on irc.corecodec.com , in case you needed help or 
> assistance.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Christian
> 
> 
> John Cannon schrieb:
> 
> >---------- Forwarded message ----------
> >From: Michal Benes <michal.benes at xeris.cz>
> >Date: Jul 7, 2005 8:32 AM
> >Subject: Re: GStreamer successfully compiled for windows.
> >To: John Cannon <spyder482 at gmail.com>
> >
> >
> >Hi John,
> >
> >    I had less time then I hoped so the HOWTO is not quite finished
> >(gst-plugins and gst-ffmpeg parts are missing), but they are easier than
> >gstreamer core.
> >
> >    The HOWTO can be found at
> >http://www.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~benes/gstreamer-win/winstreamer.html
> >Tomorrow, I will try to finish it and I will look closer at the sinks.
> >
> >    Regarding the player, yes it will be opensource, but it will also be
> >as simple as possible (file chooser, play, pasue, stop). I mean it
> >really only as a tech-demo. The most complicated will be probably the
> >sinks (which will be also OSS, but we (Xeris) want to use them in our
> >project).
> >
> >       Michal
> >
> >John Cannon wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Awesome!
> >>
> >>Let me know when the HOWTO is ready and I can work on fixing the other
> >>ffmpeg codecs maybe.  It's OK by me not to use Visual Studio.  As for
> >>the player, I would be happy to help out if it will be open source.
> >>
> >>On 7/4/05, Michal Benes <michal.benes at xeris.cz> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>
> >>>       I have been recently in contact with Bruce (barady at radtime.org) who is
> >>>also compiling GStreamer for Windows. In our company, we have decided to
> >>>not use VisualStudio so I can help with it much now. But I was able to
> >>>compile
> >>>GStreamer, gst-plugins and gst-ffmpeg by MinGW.
> >>>
> >>>       I have not tested it much so far, but I am able to run
> >>>
> >>>       gst-launch-0.8.exe videotestsrc ! ffenc_mpeg1video ! avimux !
> >>>filesink
> >>>location=test.avi
> >>>
> >>>and
> >>>
> >>>       gst-launch-0.8.exe sinesrc ! ffenc_mp2 ! ffmux_mpeg ! filesink
> >>>location=test.mpg
> >>>
> >>>       Unfortunately, many ffmpeg codecs crash but you know much more
> >>>about them than I do.
> >>>
> >>>       Now, I am writing a detailed HOWTO. After that I will go with it to
> >>>gst-devel and I will fill some bugs to bugzilla.
> >>>
> >>>       I would be much interested to join Your effort to write
> >>>      
> >>>
> >audio and video
> >  
> >
> >>>sinks for Windows and build "proof of the concept" multiplatform video
> >>>player (preferably with wxwindows toolkit).
> >>>
> >>>       Regards
> >>>
> >>>               Michal
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>    
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >  
> >
> 



From marlene.kopp at wanadoo.fr  Mon Jul 11 16:08:21 2005
From: marlene.kopp at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Marl=E8ne_Kopp?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 16:08:21 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mkv and DVD/DIVx player 
Message-ID: <000601c58622$01601010$edbccb53@portable>

is it an easy way for the most popular dvd/divx home player to play mkv file ? 

I searched the web. I found:

Extract files from mkv
Pass from .rm to avi 
With all the problems and quality looses that comes with

I ask for myself but also for many people on the web who search an easy solution to take an .mkv and play it with a dvd/divx player.

Thanks
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From chris at matroska.org  Mon Jul 11 20:27:57 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 20:27:57 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mkv and DVD/DIVx player
In-Reply-To: <000601c58622$01601010$edbccb53@portable>
References: <000601c58622$01601010$edbccb53@portable>
Message-ID: <42D2BA2D.9030406@matroska.org>

Marlene,

i am sorry to say that there is no way to play matroska files on DVD 
standalone players, and no easy way to play them on DivX players. Main 
reason is, that a single MKV file can contain MANY different audio, 
video and subtitles tracks using VARIOUS different compression methods. 
Here a short list ( not complete ) :

Video :

MPEG4 ( DivX 4/5, XviD, 3ivX, etc. )
Realvideo ( RV9/10 )
Quicktime video
MPEG1/2

Audio :

MP 2/3
AC3
Vorbis
AAC / HE-AAC
FLAC
Wavpack
Realaudio

Subtitles :

SRT
SSA/ASS
vobsubs
USF

You get the idea ? Normal DVD players can only play MPEG1 and MPEG2 
video, in combination with AC3 and MP2 audio. So-called 'DivX Players' 
extend this to MPEG4 video and MP3 audio, and thats it. Even when a MKV 
file would contain only MPEG4 video and MP3 audio, the standalone 
manufacturers had to add special support to be able to 'read' the MKV 
file structure, before these units can actually play the files.

The only possible way was to add MKV reading support to MPEG2 encoding 
tools like the famous TMPGencoder, so that people could easily create 
DVDs and S-VCDs from MKV files. This was working at one time with a 
former matroska DirectShow splitter we had, and for some strange reason 
has now recently stopped working ( we dont know why, but are 
investigating ). In any case, during this kind of conversion you will 
likely loose all subtitles in the MKV file, and we dont know a way to 
fix this yet.

We do understand that many users have problems understanding, why 
release groups are using MKV instead of well known AVI container. Well, 
please understand that we did not 'invent' matroska to give anime 
release groups a better container for their ( sometimes illegal ) file 
releases. Our aim is to replace the old, outdated AVI container from 
Microsoft with something better, more modern, as a general use video 
file container with great flexibility. We honestly didnt expect the 
impact our project would have on the file sharing scene, and are even 
very surprised that MKV has become the preferred container for anime 
releases today. The reason this is is more the weakness of the other, 
competing formats ( like MP4, the real, official container for MPEG4 
video standard ) than really matroska's strength for content distribution.

However, we do understand that many users do have huge problems to deal 
with matroska, and therefore i am currently concentrating on finding an 
easy way for MKV-to-DVD conversion, to make things much easier for the 
general user.

I hope this explains a few things

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org




Marl?ne Kopp schrieb:

> is it an easy way for the most popular dvd/divx home player to play 
> mkv file ?
> I searched the web. I found:
> Extract files from mkv
> Pass from .rm to avi
> With all the problems and quality looses that comes with
> I ask for myself but also for many people on the web who search an 
> easy solution to take an .mkv and play it with a dvd/divx player.
> Thanks




From chris at matroska.org  Mon Jul 11 22:05:57 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:05:57 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Support offer : add matroska ( .MKV ) format to
 list of supported input formats for DVD Santa
Message-ID: <42D2D125.4030201@matroska.org>



Hi,

i am Christian, one of the project administrators of the matroska 
project, an opensource container format aiming to replace old, outdated 
AVI container. The matroska project is very successful, we do have 1.6 
Million downloads of our DirectShow playback pack (about 4 TB) and our 
homepage has about 8 Million unique hits per year. We get many support 
requests from users who are downloading movies in our MKV container ( 
mainly anime ) from the internet and are therefore searching for an easy 
way to convert MKV files into DVD or S-VCD.

We are offering you free code ( in best case a DirectShow parser ) to 
create an input plugin for MKV files for DVD Santa, and are also 
prepared to make a dedicated MKV-to-DVD conversion Guide based on your 
program, should you decide to cooperate with us.

Best regards

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org


From michal.benes at xeris.cz  Tue Jul 12 18:44:47 2005
From: michal.benes at xeris.cz (Michal Benes)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:44:47 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Audio sink for Windows progress
Message-ID: <1121186687.9231.13.camel@localhost.localdomain>



Hello everybody,

	thank you very much for all your support :-) I have finished first
working version of DirectSound audio sink. It still needs debugging, but
it is a base on which we can build. 

	As I do not understand DirectX I have used some code from MPlayer, this
means that the sinks are currently GPL'ed but I hope that we will be
able to rewrite this parts and release the code under LGPL (what is the
default licence for GStreamer).

	The output still sounds quite ugly, meaning that I am doing something
wrong. I hope some more skilled people will be able to fix it
eventually.

	Download here:
http://adela.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~benes/gstreamer-win/

	I will start work on the video sink tomorrow.

	Cheers

		Michal




From gmane.catz at recursor.net  Tue Jul 12 20:28:17 2005
From: gmane.catz at recursor.net (Julien P.)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:28:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Matroska-general] MKV to DVD
Message-ID: <7c6f997804b98c755375f95da24@news.gmane.org>

Hi,

How can I convert a MKV file to a DVD one ? And is it possible to keep the 
different languages in the DVD format ? I would like to watch the MKV file 
I have on my computer on my home dvd player, but it is not an avi/mkv player, 
just a standard one.

Thanks

PS : I'm on windows XP Pro OS.





From ondass at gmail.com  Tue Jul 12 20:45:44 2005
From: ondass at gmail.com (Antonio M)
Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:45:44 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Streaming mpeg4 video, ogg container
In-Reply-To: <BAY106-DAV141B1305D9767A9BF65032CDDC0@phx.gbl>
References: <20050706083738.GA13016@imsmail.imsmail.org>
	<42D01B8E.1030701@matroska.org>
	<20050710094927.GE10130@imsmail.imsmail.org>
	<BAY106-DAV141B1305D9767A9BF65032CDDC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <158f58ed0507121145669332c@mail.gmail.com>

You can use ffmpeg2theora wtih theora&vorbis for streaming

On 7/11/05, Atamido <paul at msn.com> wrote:
> Stephen Birch wrote:
> > ChristianHJW(christian at matroska.org)@2005-07-09 20:46:
> >>MPEG4 video in OGG container is nothing but a hack without real specs,
> >>called OGM, and without any support from Xiph. None of the existing OGG
> >
> >
> > I read through the ogg specs and it seems to be a well designed
> > container capable of carrying any audio/visual content.  Its also KISS
> > which I like a great deal.
> 
> Well, sorta.  Ogg was designed specifically to carry Vorbis.  And while
> I prefer the design principles of Matroska more, Ogg has a lower
> overhead for low-bitrate audio, like Vorbis.
> 
> Beyond Vorbis, there are specifications for Ogg to also include the
> audio codecs Speex and Flac, and the video codecs Theora and Tarkin
> (non-existent).  No other audio or video codecs have specs for placement
> in Ogg.
> 
> OGM is an interesting hack to get codecs supported by VFW (Video For
> Windows) into an Ogg stream.  It is more or less just wrapping AVI
> inside of Ogg.  There are a few problems with this, including
> ridiculously high overhead.  But the primary problem is this "method"
> exists nowhere in the official specs, and in fact doesn't really have
> any specs to speak of.
> 
> As far as KISS, there are other solutions that fit this model much
> better than OGM.
> 
> >>streaming servers ( Icecast ) support this. You should definitely use
> >>DARWIN and the MP4 container for that, or at least matroska in native
> >
> >
> > I couldn't find specs for the "MP4 container" either.  I was actually
> > hoping to use theora.  I am sick to death of technology being built on
> > patented software.
> 
> You have to pay money to get a hold of the specs for MP4 from the ISO.
> (Or know what to search for in Google)  If you are using Theora, this a
> codec that is native to Ogg, so you shouldn't have an issue with it.
> 
> > Matroska ... who is behind that one?  I see you are the project admin,
> > but what is it all about?
> 
> Matroska is a project to develop an open container that is free for
> anyone to use.  It was designed specifically to be a general container
> for playback and editing, however it shouldn't have any issues with
> being used for streaming video.
> 
> > Thanks for answering, Christian.  Streaming video isnt rocket science
> > and I am irritated by the high degree of confusion out there.
> 
> There is a lot of confusion, and getting it to work can be a real pain
> in the butt.  But if you are willing to put in the time, you can really
> do a lot.
> 
> 
> Atamido
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general
>


From chris at matroska.org  Wed Jul 13 00:49:41 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 00:49:41 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] matroska input plugin for DVDR-easy
Message-ID: <42D44905.10500@matroska.org>


Hi,

could you consider to write a matroska ( .mkv ) input plugin to your 
program ? We are searching for an official partner to be able to 
recommend a tool to matroska users searching for an easy way to convert 
MKV files into DVD or S-VCD.

Thanks for a short answer

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org


From mairaleemai at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 13 17:57:15 2005
From: mairaleemai at hotmail.com (maira lee)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 15:57:15 +0000
Subject: [Matroska-general] help!!
Message-ID: <BAY7-F193090190B4C14A994AAD8B0DE0@phx.gbl>

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Jul 14 06:10:26 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:10:26 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-general] MKV to DVD
In-Reply-To: <7c6f997804b98c755375f95da24@news.gmane.org>
References: <7c6f997804b98c755375f95da24@news.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <42D5E5B2.8050605@free.fr>

You'll find the answer to this question several times in our archives.

http://lists.matroska.org/pipermail/matroska-users/


Julien P. wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> How can I convert a MKV file to a DVD one ? And is it possible to keep 
> the different languages in the DVD format ? I would like to watch the 
> MKV file I have on my computer on my home dvd player, but it is not an 
> avi/mkv player, just a standard one.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> PS : I'm on windows XP Pro OS.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general

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From christian at matroska.org  Thu Jul 14 23:12:00 2005
From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW)
Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 23:12:00 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Apple Core Audio Format Specification
In-Reply-To: <42D4F7FA.6010106@student.ltu.se>
References: <42D4F7FA.6010106@student.ltu.se>
Message-ID: <42D6D520.4070809@matroska.org>

Benjamin Larsson schrieb:
> Another demuxer to implement maybe. Havn't seen any files yet though.
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MusicAudio/Reference/CAFSpec/
> http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MusicAudio/Reference/CAFSpec/CAFSpec.pdf 
> MvH Benjamin Larsson

It's normally not enough to get a new container accepted by just putting 
some nice specs online. Believe me, i am speaking out of experience. 
Maybe if you are Apple, let's see.

We even had working code, and open, but people didn't like it because it 
was C++ instead of C. Today there are more than 6 different matroska 
libs, 3 of them in C and one even integer C ( our PalmOS and PocketPC 
support is based on it ). Still, support in most apps is coming along 
slow or is even non-existant. It's a long way to the top :D ....

Christian
matroska project admin
http://www.matroska.org



From poooh29 at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 17 08:58:12 2005
From: poooh29 at hotmail.com (Rachel Lou)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 06:58:12 +0000
Subject: [Matroska-general] Problem of matroska full version pack
Message-ID: <BAY14-F211B52672EB38237E1C70BB3D20@phx.gbl>

Hi, 

I had downloaded the Matroska Pack Full v1.1.1, after the installation, the 
FFD show could not run and some of the others programme could not run as 
well. My computer shows that there is a missing DLL file, then I tried to 
uninstall and reinstall still cannot solve this problem. And I also tried 
to install an older version, still can't work. 

So, could you tell me is there other software can play mkv file ? Or, 
maybe, I think is the pack itself have problems.
Thanks!

Regards,
Linda

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sun Jul 17 22:43:30 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:43:30 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-general] Problem of matroska full version pack
In-Reply-To: <BAY14-F211B52672EB38237E1C70BB3D20@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY14-F211B52672EB38237E1C70BB3D20@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <42DAC2F2.3060608@free.fr>

Hi

Can you tell us what is the missing DLL ?

thx

Rachel Lou wrote:
> Hi,
> I had downloaded the Matroska Pack Full v1.1.1, after the installation, 
> the FFD show could not run and some of the others programme could not 
> run as well. My computer shows that there is a missing DLL file, then I 
> tried to uninstall and reinstall still cannot solve this problem. And I 
> also tried to install an older version, still can't work.
> So, could you tell me is there other software can play mkv file ? Or, 
> maybe, I think is the pack itself have problems.
> Thanks!
> 
> Regards,
> Linda
> 
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From guts2k3 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 25 13:46:50 2005
From: guts2k3 at yahoo.com (Guts The Blackswordsman)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 04:46:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Matroska-general] abt audio
Message-ID: <20050725114650.67801.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi I currently have an MKV file that has dual
audio,can u tell me how I can turn off the other audio
cause im currently hearing both japanese and english
words. Hope u can help thanks.


		
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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Jul 26 01:40:22 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:40:22 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-general] abt audio
In-Reply-To: <20050725114650.67801.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050725114650.67801.qmail@web33112.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42E57866.1010202@free.fr>

You can either use VLC or install our latest pack that should fix the 
problem and let you choose the audio stream.

http://packs.matroska.org/

Guts The Blackswordsman wrote:
> Hi I currently have an MKV file that has dual
> audio,can u tell me how I can turn off the other audio
> cause im currently hearing both japanese and english
> words. Hope u can help thanks.
> 
> 
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From chris at matroska.org  Tue Jul 26 23:48:19 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:48:19 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: Matroska Pack Full 1.1.1 has been added in
	Superdownloads!]
Message-ID: <42E6AFA3.2060401@matroska.org>

FYI

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: 	Matroska Pack Full 1.1.1 has been added in Superdownloads!
Datum: 	Tue, 26 Jul 2005 14:14:41 -0300
Von: 	info at superdownloads.com.br
An: 	chris at matroska.org



Dear Matroska,

*Matroska Pack Full 1.1.1 *Has been added in Superdownloads. We'd like 
to keep in direct contact with you, that's why we're sending you this 
e-mail.

Help us help you! Keep us informed about Matroska Pack Full updates and 
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If you want to take a look in Matroska Pack Full download page, please 
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<http://www.superdownloads.com.br/download/i36423.html>

Please bookmark www.superdownloads.com.br/info/inenglish.html 
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From chris at matroska.org  Tue Jul 26 23:48:58 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 23:48:58 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: Matroska Pack Lite 1.1.1 has been added in
	Superdownloads!]
Message-ID: <42E6AFCA.6080503@matroska.org>

FYI 2

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: 	Matroska Pack Lite 1.1.1 has been added in Superdownloads!
Datum: 	Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:49:05 -0300
Von: 	info at superdownloads.com.br
An: 	chris at matroska.org



Dear Matroska,

*Matroska Pack Lite 1.1.1 *Has been added in Superdownloads. We'd like 
to keep in direct contact with you, that's why we're sending you this 
e-mail.

Help us help you! Keep us informed about Matroska Pack Lite updates and 
other software you develop. If you run a sort of *Application 
Submission* mailing list, please include updates at superdownloads.com .br 
<mailto:updates at superdownloads.com.br> on it.

Superdownloads is also a PAD Enabled site. If you work with PAD files, 
please send us PAD URLs pointing to XML versions and we'll do the rest. 
For more information about PAD Files please visit visit www.asp-sh 
areware.org/pad/ <http://www.asp-shareware.org/pad/> and start sending 
us PADs today!

If you want to take a look in Matroska Pack Lite download page, please 
browse to www.superdownloads.com.br/download/i36420.html 
<http://www.superdownloads.com.br/download/i36420.html>

Please bookmark www.superdownloads.com.br/info/inenglish.html 
<http://www.superdownloads.com.br/info/inenglish.html> because you'll 
find all information necessary there.

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From chris at matroska.org  Wed Jul 27 22:26:59 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 22:26:59 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] ratDVD navigation filter sourcecode
Message-ID: <42E7EE13.7000204@matroska.org>


Hi,

i was asking the author of ratDVD to release the full sources of his 
navigation fillter rather than just wrapping libdvdnav by using a COM 
interface : http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/215044

Christian


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Jul 29 05:40:19 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 20:40:19 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: ratDVD navigation filter sourcecode
In-Reply-To: <42E7EE13.7000204@matroska.org>
References: <42E7EE13.7000204@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <42E9A523.7050008@free.fr>

Cool, now we are sure any collaboration with that guy will be a PITA...

Christian HJ Wiesner wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i was asking the author of ratDVD to release the full sources of his 
> navigation fillter rather than just wrapping libdvdnav by using a COM 
> interface : http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/215044
> 
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From chris at matroska.org  Fri Jul 29 07:51:38 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 07:51:38 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-devel] Re: ratDVD navigation
	filter sourcecode
In-Reply-To: <42E9A523.7050008@free.fr>
References: <42E7EE13.7000204@matroska.org> <42E9A523.7050008@free.fr>
Message-ID: <42E9C3EA.2080800@matroska.org>

You're a dreamer. What collaboration ? I was asking him politely in an 
earlier message to publish his filter sources, so we can have a look. 
His answer was wrapping libdvdnav into a COM interface to access it from 
his navigation filter, guess why that is ? Because he cares so much 
about the GPL ??
It's more than clear that this guy has commercial interests about 
ratDVD, and for this very reason he won't publish those keyelements of 
his program. This post is the first step only, next step will be calling 
on the GNU lawyers for GPL violation, this is the ONLY way to get his 
sourcecode. And BTW, this was a group decision on IRC, while you were 
absent.

Christian

Steve Lhomme schrieb:

> Cool, now we are sure any collaboration with that guy will be a PITA...
>
> Christian HJ Wiesner wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi,
>> i was asking the author of ratDVD to release the full sources of his 
>> navigation fillter rather than just wrapping libdvdnav by using a COM 
>> interface : http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/215044
>> Christian 
>



From chris at matroska.org  Fri Jul 29 08:00:01 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 08:00:01 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-devel] Re: ratDVD navigation
	filter sourcecode
In-Reply-To: <42E9C3EA.2080800@matroska.org>
References: <42E7EE13.7000204@matroska.org> <42E9A523.7050008@free.fr>
	<42E9C3EA.2080800@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <42E9C5E1.4030701@matroska.org>

While we are at it, can somebody from the dev team pls. reply to Doom9's 
answer here :

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=97893&highlight=ratdvd

[quote]Actually, the matter of COM has come up in the developer forum 
before: http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=97210
I cannot claim this is a general consensus, but the way we left that 
thread seems to hint that COM actually allows you to use GPL code 
without falling under the linking clause.
I only have VC# installed so I cannot try and compile, but it does 
appear to me as if the libdvdnav download package on the ratDVD site 
does contain the whole component so I fail to see the GPL violation.[/quote]

This is completely different than what we have found during our 
discussion on IRC. Toff didnt find the complete sources of the DShow 
filter in the download, but only libdvdnav itself with the COM 
interface. Also, if wrapping code into COM make is possible to use it in 
apllicance with the GPL, the complete GPL itself is obsolete as this 
will mean you can use any GPL code in closed source apps. This is what i 
learned from Toff during our conversation on IRC.

Christian



Christian HJ Wiesner schrieb:

> You're a dreamer. What collaboration ? I was asking him politely in an 
> earlier message to publish his filter sources, so we can have a look. 
> His answer was wrapping libdvdnav into a COM interface to access it 
> from his navigation filter, guess why that is ? Because he cares so 
> much about the GPL ??
> It's more than clear that this guy has commercial interests about 
> ratDVD, and for this very reason he won't publish those keyelements of 
> his program. This post is the first step only, next step will be 
> calling on the GNU lawyers for GPL violation, this is the ONLY way to 
> get his sourcecode. And BTW, this was a group decision on IRC, while 
> you were absent.
>
> Christian
>
> Steve Lhomme schrieb:
>
>> Cool, now we are sure any collaboration with that guy will be a PITA...
>>
>> Christian HJ Wiesner wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> i was asking the author of ratDVD to release the full sources of his 
>>> navigation fillter rather than just wrapping libdvdnav by using a 
>>> COM interface : http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/215044
>>> Christian 
>>
>>
>
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