From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sat Jan  1 15:06:19 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:06:19 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] New Year 005
Message-ID: <41D6AE5B.6070706@free.fr>

Hi ladies an gentlemen,

I wish you the best for 2005. Here is my message for everyone in 2005:
http://mukoli.free.fr/2005/

Steve

PS: click on the buttons...

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From paul at msn.com  Sat Jan  1 17:35:55 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:35:55 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
References: <41D6AE5B.6070706@free.fr>
Message-ID: <cr6jgc$s74$1@sea.gmane.org>

"Steve Lhomme" wrote...
> Hi ladies an gentlemen,
>
> I wish you the best for 2005. Here is my message for everyone in 2005:
> http://mukoli.free.fr/2005/

Congratulations on making the most narcissistic message of 2005.


Atamido 





From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sat Jan  1 17:43:09 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:43:09 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska in 2005
Message-ID: <41D6D31D.3030100@free.fr>

Hi,

2005 should be an important year for our little baby Matroska. So far we 
have many small groups of people that like the format and use it 
where/when they can. The key features for the moment are the wide & 
"clean" subtitle support, as well as all possible codecs.

But in the coming days/weeks the format should be finalised with all the 
features we dreamt of having when we created Matroska. That's a huge 
step, since that means we can rely on things that won't change in the 
near future. Maybe a bigger and cleaner documentation on the format 
would help.

So what should happen after that ? Matroska alone is not worth anything. 
What people want (including ourselves) are some tools to use. That means 
a good video editor that could support all our features. And also be 
able to play them in their preferred audio/video player on their 
preferred OS. And those two are huge tasks, even bigger than creating 
Matroska and the few tools we have now.

I hope to count on you all to make these things become true and give 
Matroska the place it deserves (you'll judge for yourself).

Back to work...
;)

-- 
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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sat Jan  1 17:45:38 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 17:45:38 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
In-Reply-To: <cr6jgc$s74$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <41D6AE5B.6070706@free.fr> <cr6jgc$s74$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <41D6D3B2.4050802@free.fr>

how narcissistic ?!!!

Paul Bryson a ?crit :
> "Steve Lhomme" wrote...
> 
>>Hi ladies an gentlemen,
>>
>>I wish you the best for 2005. Here is my message for everyone in 2005:
>>http://mukoli.free.fr/2005/
> 
> 
> Congratulations on making the most narcissistic message of 2005.
> 
> 
> Atamido 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general

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From jcsston at jory.info  Sat Jan  1 17:54:41 2005
From: jcsston at jory.info (Jory Stone)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 10:54:41 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
References: <41D6AE5B.6070706@free.fr> <cr6jgc$s74$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<41D6D3B2.4050802@free.fr>
Message-ID: <007a01c4f022$a1b9f710$6b00a8c0@jcsston>

I don't get it.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" 
<matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005


how narcissistic ?!!!

Paul Bryson a ?crit :
> "Steve Lhomme" wrote...
>
>>Hi ladies an gentlemen,
>>
>>I wish you the best for 2005. Here is my message for everyone in 2005:
>>http://mukoli.free.fr/2005/
>
>
> Congratulations on making the most narcissistic message of 2005.
>
>
> Atamido
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sat Jan  1 18:06:13 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:06:13 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
In-Reply-To: <007a01c4f022$a1b9f710$6b00a8c0@jcsston>
References: <41D6AE5B.6070706@free.fr>
	<cr6jgc$s74$1@sea.gmane.org>	<41D6D3B2.4050802@free.fr>
	<007a01c4f022$a1b9f710$6b00a8c0@jcsston>
Message-ID: <41D6D885.6090407@free.fr>

He doesn't like my signature...

So I changed it.

Jory Stone a ?crit :
> I don't get it.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
> To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" 
> <matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
> 
> 
> how narcissistic ?!!!
> 
> Paul Bryson a ?crit :
> 
>> "Steve Lhomme" wrote...
>>
>>> Hi ladies an gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I wish you the best for 2005. Here is my message for everyone in 2005:
>>> http://mukoli.free.fr/2005/
>>
>>
>>
>> Congratulations on making the most narcissistic message of 2005.
>>
>>
>> Atamido
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Matroska-general mailing list
>> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
>> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general
> 
> 

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From jcsston at jory.info  Sat Jan  1 18:22:07 2005
From: jcsston at jory.info (Jory Stone)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2005 11:22:07 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
References: <41D6AE5B.6070706@free.fr><cr6jgc$s74$1@sea.gmane.org>	<41D6D3B2.4050802@free.fr><007a01c4f022$a1b9f710$6b00a8c0@jcsston>
	<41D6D885.6090407@free.fr>
Message-ID: <008401c4f026$6f99a420$6b00a8c0@jcsston>

Ah.
I think it would have be cooler if you did it in XHTML and CSS though ;)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" 
<matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005


He doesn't like my signature...

So I changed it.

Jory Stone a ?crit :
> I don't get it.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
> To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" 
> <matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:45 AM
> Subject: Re: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
>
>
> how narcissistic ?!!!
>
> Paul Bryson a ?crit :
>
>> "Steve Lhomme" wrote...
>>
>>> Hi ladies an gentlemen,
>>>
>>> I wish you the best for 2005. Here is my message for everyone in 2005:
>>> http://mukoli.free.fr/2005/
>>
>>
>>
>> Congratulations on making the most narcissistic message of 2005.
>>
>>
>> Atamido
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Matroska-general mailing list
>> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
>> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general
>
>

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sat Jan  1 18:34:04 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 18:34:04 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
In-Reply-To: <008401c4f026$6f99a420$6b00a8c0@jcsston>
References: <41D6AE5B.6070706@free.fr><cr6jgc$s74$1@sea.gmane.org>	<41D6D3B2.4050802@free.fr><007a01c4f022$a1b9f710$6b00a8c0@jcsston>	<41D6D885.6090407@free.fr>
	<008401c4f026$6f99a420$6b00a8c0@jcsston>
Message-ID: <41D6DF0C.7050503@free.fr>

And where would the music go ?
The nice thing about Flash is preloading. Since I know many ppl like you 
with low bandwidth... But in the other hand looping audio in Flash sucks...

Jory Stone a ?crit :
> Ah.
> I think it would have be cooler if you did it in XHTML and CSS though ;)
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
> To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" 
> <matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 11:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
> 
> 
> He doesn't like my signature...
> 
> So I changed it.
> 
> Jory Stone a ?crit :
> 
>> I don't get it.
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
>> To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" 
>> <matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 10:45 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Matroska-general] Re: New Year 005
>>
>>
>> how narcissistic ?!!!
>>
>> Paul Bryson a ?crit :
>>
>>> "Steve Lhomme" wrote...
>>>
>>>> Hi ladies an gentlemen,
>>>>
>>>> I wish you the best for 2005. Here is my message for everyone in 2005:
>>>> http://mukoli.free.fr/2005/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Congratulations on making the most narcissistic message of 2005.
>>>
>>>
>>> Atamido
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Matroska-general mailing list
>>> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
>>> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general
>>
>>
>>
> 

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From chris at matroska.org  Sat Jan  1 20:27:06 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 20:27:06 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska in 2005
In-Reply-To: <41D6D31D.3030100@free.fr>
References: <41D6D31D.3030100@free.fr>
Message-ID: <41D6F98A.7010705@matroska.org>

Steve Lhomme schrieb:

> Hi,
> 2005 should be an important year for our little baby Matroska. So far 
> we have many small groups of people that like the format and use it 
> where/when they can. The key features for the moment are the wide & 
> "clean" subtitle support, as well as all possible codecs.

To be more precise, we have mainly the following user groups :

1. RV9/10 lovers, who want to combine their preferred video codec with 
SSA or vobsub subitles. In case you didnt know, RMVB can also hold
- AAC / HE-AAC audio
- Vorbis audio
- SRT subtitles
natively, RealProducer supports those formats since a long time already.

2. anime fangroups, who see in MKV the coolest container for the time 
being, offering them all they need ( especially SSA and unicode SRT ), 
with an excellent reputation amongst other ripping groups and rather 
good playback support on all platforms. Most them are using XviD with 
Vorbis or AAC in MKV, but i have also seen DivX5 rips occasionally. Of 
course, its mainly the very good soft-subs support that makes them 
consider to use MKV instead of AVI ( it seems they dont trust alexnoe's 
point of view on AVI's capabilities, as well as its future ;) ) and MP4.

3. audio rippers with a brave heart, who like our tagging approach ( 
standardized system ) better than the 'freedom' of free tagging ;) ... 
unfortunately they are a small minority currently, and we are missing 
Goldenear a lot, who was pushing this forward a lot :-(

4. capture freaks who like the perfect sync in MKV captures, thanks to 
timestamp precision ( most video and audio cards have incorrect A/D 
clocks, so a framerate based approach wont work well in some cases )

I fully agree with Steve here, the upcoming features you guys have been 
working on during the last months will certainly attracta LOT more 
users. Its an exciting phase we are moving in to, and i am looking a lot 
forward to it :-) !

> But in the coming days/weeks the format should be finalised with all 
> the features we dreamt of having when we created Matroska. That's a 
> huge step, since that means we can rely on things that won't change in 
> the near future. Maybe a bigger and cleaner documentation on the 
> format would help.

Shouldn't we go 1.0 with the specs once menue's are implemented ?

> So what should happen after that ? Matroska alone is not worth 
> anything. What people want (including ourselves) are some tools to 
> use. That means a good video editor that could support all our 
> features. And also be able to play them in their preferred audio/video 
> player on their preferred OS. And those two are huge tasks, even 
> bigger than creating Matroska and the few tools we have now.

That's the key ! People only use AVI still because there is Virtualdub, 
a free video encoding and editing tool ! Look at avi-mux GUI ( amg ) :
Its a great tool and will allow a lot of nice things for AVI, comparable 
to mkvtoolnix and MKV. Still the number of Virtualdub users is 50x times 
higher, and the ONLY reason for that is that amg can not encode video, 
and its editing possibilities are limited ( like mkvmerge ).

Once we manage to release a real alternative to Virtualdub, like 
VirtualdubMod, but leaving the boundaries of VfW, there is nothing that 
can stop MKV anymore !

> I hope to count on you all to make these things become true and give 
> Matroska the place it deserves (you'll judge for yourself).
> Back to work... ;)

If i find the time, i will start working on a FAQ document. If i fail to 
understand XHTML, i will simply make a WORD Document and leave it to you 
to make XHTML from it :D

Let me finish by telling you that i appreciate it a lot to be a matroska 
team member, and to have the chance to work with you guys on this great 
project :-) !

Christian




From abrasha at abrasha.com  Sat Jan  1 22:34:41 2005
From: abrasha at abrasha.com (Abrasha)
Date: Sat, 01 Jan 2005 13:34:41 -0800
Subject: [Matroska-general] Nothing works to playback Matroska files.
Message-ID: <41D71771.2060203@abrasha.com>

So I downloaded a movie in a format that I was not familiar with.  Soon found 
out, that .mkv stands for Matroska, so I went to the matroska site.

I downloaded all the codecs. I downloaded The Core Media Player, I downloaded 
the Classic Media Player.

The movie files would not open in any of my media players.

I downloaded VirtualdubMOD to try and convert the .mkv files to .AVI files that 
I could then possibly play with my DivX player.  This is supposedly possible 
according to videohelp.com (http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241422)

I could not open the movie .mkv files in VirtualdubMOD.  I got a cryptic error 
message, that says:

only handle (S_TEXT(subs for the moment

Very useful indeed.

I am not a novice user.  I am quite familiar with installing and using various 
video and audio codecs.  As well as with installing and using various media players.

It is painfully clear, that these Matroska codecs and their playback are a long 
way off from prime time.  If I can't figure out, how to play a few movie files, 
I don't think this format is ever going to be worth anything.

In fact, in my humble opinion, in it's current state

MATROSKA BLOWS!

Abrasha
http://www.abrasha.com


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sun Jan  2 00:35:04 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 00:35:04 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Nothing works to playback Matroska files.
In-Reply-To: <41D71771.2060203@abrasha.com>
References: <41D71771.2060203@abrasha.com>
Message-ID: <41D733A8.7000909@free.fr>

As you can read our website to find your way here, you know you should 
talk about this on matroska-users and not matroska-general...

Abrasha a ?crit :
> So I downloaded a movie in a format that I was not familiar with.  Soon 
> found out, that .mkv stands for Matroska, so I went to the matroska site.
> 
> I downloaded all the codecs. I downloaded The Core Media Player, I 
> downloaded the Classic Media Player.
> 
> The movie files would not open in any of my media players.
> 
> I downloaded VirtualdubMOD to try and convert the .mkv files to .AVI 
> files that I could then possibly play with my DivX player.  This is 
> supposedly possible according to videohelp.com 
> (http://www.videohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=241422)
> 
> I could not open the movie .mkv files in VirtualdubMOD.  I got a cryptic 
> error message, that says:
> 
> only handle (S_TEXT(subs for the moment
> 
> Very useful indeed.
> 
> I am not a novice user.  I am quite familiar with installing and using 
> various video and audio codecs.  As well as with installing and using 
> various media players.
> 
> It is painfully clear, that these Matroska codecs and their playback are 
> a long way off from prime time.  If I can't figure out, how to play a 
> few movie files, I don't think this format is ever going to be worth 
> anything.
> 
> In fact, in my humble opinion, in it's current state
> 
> MATROSKA BLOWS!
> 
> Abrasha
> http://www.abrasha.com
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general
> 

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From paul at msn.com  Sun Jan  2 08:01:49 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 01:01:49 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Nothing works to playback Matroska files.
References: <41D71771.2060203@abrasha.com>
Message-ID: <cr868t$5e8$1@sea.gmane.org>

"Abrasha" wrote...
> I don't think this format is ever going to be worth anything.
>
> In fact, in my humble opinion, in it's current state
>
> MATROSKA BLOWS!

What an incredible way to seek a lack of assistance from someone.  Tell them 
that their product will never be worth anything...  Someday I hope to attain 
such high levels of superiority over my fellow man.

Please attempt all of the solutions listed here for playback of the file. 
Once the file can be played back, you should be able to re-encode the file 
using TMPGEnc.
http://packs.matroska.org/issues/

Also, basic questions should be sent to the matroska-users mailing list. 
Please do not reply directly to my email as I will not see your reply.


If you need additional assistance, we will need more information from you 
about your file.  A kinder attitude can also go a long way to obtaining more 
in depth information from people.


Atamido 





From chris at matroska.org  Sun Jan  2 09:13:50 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:13:50 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Standards body submission?
In-Reply-To: <41D7A51C.90006@western-alliance.net>
References: <41D7A51C.90006@western-alliance.net>
Message-ID: <41D7AD3E.5030009@matroska.org>

Hi Stephen,

thanks a lot for your encouraging words.

1. I havent talked to the main developers and project admins of 
matroska, Steve 'robux4' Lhomme, and Moritz 'mosu' Bunkus yet, but i 
agree this should be done soon after the matroska specs went 1.0 'stable'.

2. More than money, we need active help by new team members. If you are 
interested to join the team, and are prepared to invest some of your 
free time into the project, please tell me briefly what your education 
is and where you have some knowledge in ( HTML, XHTML, C, C++, Java, 
etc. ) and what languages you are speaking, and we would gladly welcome 
you in our team.

3. Are you talking about playback of MKV files from a HTTP server ( this 
should work fine with any player ), or live streaming ?

Regards

Christian
matroska project admin


Stephen Berens schrieb:

> 1. Have you considered submitting MKV to a standards body? OASIS 
> <http://www.oasis-open.org/who/> perhaps?
> 2. Is there anything I can do to help the MKV team? A paypal donate 
> button on your front page couldn't hurt...
> 3. Any word on when MKV HTTP streaming with windows media player might 
> be working. (I have not got it working yet on anything other than 
> VideoLAN)
>
> Thanks for doing the work you are doing. It is sorely needed, and not 
> receiving the recognition it needs...
>
>



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sun Jan  2 09:21:21 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:21:21 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Standards body submission?
In-Reply-To: <41D7AD3E.5030009@matroska.org>
References: <41D7A51C.90006@western-alliance.net>
	<41D7AD3E.5030009@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <41D7AF01.6000803@free.fr>

Christian HJ Wiesner a ?crit :
> Hi Stephen,
> 
> thanks a lot for your encouraging words.
> 
> 1. I havent talked to the main developers and project admins of 
> matroska, Steve 'robux4' Lhomme, and Moritz 'mosu' Bunkus yet, but i 
> agree this should be done soon after the matroska specs went 1.0 'stable'.

As you can see on the TODO page, I'd like to write (with you all) a 
DocBook document with more details about the format. It will take some 
time. But that's needed, as the current specs are only good when you 
know the format already.

> 2. More than money, we need active help by new team members. If you are 
> interested to join the team, and are prepared to invest some of your 
> free time into the project, please tell me briefly what your education 
> is and where you have some knowledge in ( HTML, XHTML, C, C++, Java, 
> etc. ) and what languages you are speaking, and we would gladly welcome 
> you in our team.

Indeed, money is evil. And we would have no idea on how to *share* it.



From chris at matroska.org  Sun Jan  2 09:28:58 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 09:28:58 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Nothing works to playback Matroska files.
In-Reply-To: <41D71771.2060203@abrasha.com>
References: <41D71771.2060203@abrasha.com>
Message-ID: <41D7B0CA.3010904@matroska.org>

Abrasha schrieb:

> So I downloaded a movie in a format that I was not familiar with.  
> Soon found out, that .mkv stands for Matroska, so I went to the 
> matroska site.
> I downloaded all the codecs. I downloaded The Core Media Player, I 
> downloaded the Classic Media Player.
> The movie files would not open in any of my media players.
> [snip]
> In fact, in my humble opinion, in it's current state
>
> MATROSKA BLOWS!
>
> Abrasha
> http://www.abrasha.com 

Nice. You are downloading a pirated movie from the internet, you dont 
even know if its a fake file, but you feel its a good idea to 'motivate' 
us to help you by telling us our project sucks. Your email was probably 
the result of a frustrating evening of trying to get the file to play 
..... still i'd claim you owe us an apology.

I bet my right arm that your movie contains Realvideo ( RV 9 , RV 10, 
FourCC : RV40 ), and this means you have to install either Realplayer ( 
dont use it to play the MKV file, just install it as it will bring the 
right decoder for Realvideo decompression to your PC ), or 
RealAlternative to play the file. In our latest installer pack ( 1.0.3 ) 
we were adding a HUGE WARNING IN BOLT LETTERS for those user who cant 
read, or are too lazy for that, that they dont have the right decoders 
for Realvideo on their PC, as we know there are many MKV files with 
Realvideo out there in the wild. Unfortunately, we are not allowed to 
ship the Realvideo decoders with our packs, RealNetworks strictly forbid 
that for licensing reasons.

There is another nice tool advertised in our new section, made by Toff, 
that could help you here. Its called matroskadiag.exe ( 
http://www.matroska.org/%7Etoff/MatroskaDiag.exe ) and will analyze your 
MKV files for missing codecs.

Christian
matroska project admin




From moritz at bunkus.org  Sun Jan  2 10:15:03 2005
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2005 10:15:03 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Standards body submission?
In-Reply-To: <41D7AF01.6000803@free.fr>
References: <41D7A51C.90006@western-alliance.net>
	<41D7AD3E.5030009@matroska.org> <41D7AF01.6000803@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20050102091503.GV2411@bunkus.org>

Hey,

> Indeed, money is evil. And we would have no idea on how to *share* it.

I need money. Just give it all to me! Wow, that was a simple solution,
and I like those :)

Mosu

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds


From vinnycortigiano at hotmail.com  Sun Jan  2 22:35:47 2005
From: vinnycortigiano at hotmail.com (Vinny Cortigiano)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 13:35:47 -0800
Subject: [Matroska-general] making a mkv file 
Message-ID: <BAY15-F177DABD5FD4A408112BA38A49F0@phx.gbl>

Right now i use metoo (a program to ripps dvds to divx) to get my dvds on a 
HD. How/or what program could i use to turn my movies into mkv formatt? MKV 
seems to have better sound, and video....

Vincent Cortigiano




From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sun Jan  2 23:04:17 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2005 23:04:17 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] making a mkv file
In-Reply-To: <BAY15-F177DABD5FD4A408112BA38A49F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY15-F177DABD5FD4A408112BA38A49F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41D86FE1.8030208@free.fr>

For a simple program I think there is something call Ripp-It_AM or 
something like that. Maybe it's a program with just as few features as 
you seem to be looking for.

http://www.ripp-it.com/

It's in french but you can probably find your way in. It seems the big 
download is in english too.

Vinny Cortigiano a ?crit :
> Right now i use metoo (a program to ripps dvds to divx) to get my dvds 
> on a HD. How/or what program could i use to turn my movies into mkv 
> formatt? MKV seems to have better sound, and video....
> 
> Vincent Cortigiano
> 
> 
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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Jan  6 12:52:21 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 06 Jan 2005 12:52:21 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska on CoreCodec
Message-ID: <41DD2675.9090507@free.fr>

Hi everyone,

As we have many tasks and softwares in the work, I thought we needed 
something to keep track of our TODO and future plans and also allow 
users to submit bug reports easily. And instead of installing softwares 
to do that on our own, the obvious choice was to do that on CoreCodec.

So the project is back on CoreCodec : 
http://corecodec.org/projects/matroska/

I only enabled the stuff we don't have on our 'own' server. That means 
I've disables CVS/SVN, file downloads, mailing lists and forums (the 
CoreCodec forums are enough).

I think all people involved in Matroska should register on CoreCodec.ORG 
so that we can keep track and assign "tasks" to each other (usually 
auto-assigned).

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Jan  7 13:46:18 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2005 13:46:18 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] DivX6 to contain menues ?
Message-ID: <41DE849A.3070609@free.fr>

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=12032

"With the addition of DivX 6 support, CyberLink users will be able to 
easily create and playback high-quality, highly-compressed DivX files 
with interactive video menus."

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From robyn.demeule at sympatico.ca  Fri Jan  7 17:13:16 2005
From: robyn.demeule at sympatico.ca (Robyn Demeule)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2005 11:13:16 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] I NEED HELP!
Message-ID: <000601c4f4d3$d152d540$6400a8c0@winxphome>

Hello, my name is Jonathan. I have recently downloaded a MKV file and I want to convert it to an Avi, or something that will allow me to play it on my DVD player at home. My problem is that when I convert the file it goes from 700mb to 8gb. If you could be of any help it would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks for you time. 
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From gedeonspleen at tiscali.fr  Mon Jan 10 22:28:19 2005
From: gedeonspleen at tiscali.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Gd_=282_mois_=E0_tirer=29?=)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:28:19 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] (no subject)
Message-ID: <000601c4f75b$85f929c0$5a449c53@bob>

Putain d'encodeur de merde avec vos formats ? la con, qui demandent ? enculer une centaine de poule avant de pouvoir ?tre lu, n'apportent rien ? part votre putain de nom dans la cr?ation d'un programme ? la con, putain de vaniteux d'mes deux, je pisse sur votre format de merde!

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Jan 10 22:36:32 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2005 22:36:32 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <000601c4f75b$85f929c0$5a449c53@bob>
References: <000601c4f75b$85f929c0$5a449c53@bob>
Message-ID: <41E2F560.8000309@free.fr>

Encore un qui a tout compris :D

Gd (2 mois ? tirer) a ?crit :
> */Putain d'encodeur de merde avec vos formats ? la con, qui demandent ? 
> enculer une centaine de poule avant de pouvoir ?tre lu, n'apportent rien 
> ? part votre putain de nom dans la cr?ation d'un programme ? la con, 
> putain de vaniteux d'mes deux, je pisse sur votre format de merde!/*
>  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From chris at matroska.org  Tue Jan 11 08:01:39 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 08:01:39 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <41E2F560.8000309@free.fr>
References: <000601c4f75b$85f929c0$5a449c53@bob> <41E2F560.8000309@free.fr>
Message-ID: <41E379D3.9020104@matroska.org>

Yeah,

in Germany we call this a 'DAU' = D?mmster Anzunehmender User' , 
translates to something like 'considerably most stupidest user' ..... ;) 
....

Christian

BTW : 'DAU' is a joke conversion of 'GAU', an expression coming from 
catastrophe prevention with respect to atomic plants, 'Gr?sster 
Anzunehmender Unfall' means the absolute worst case accident of an 
atomic power plant ;) ....

Steve Lhomme schrieb:

> Encore un qui a tout compris :D
>
> Gd (2 mois ? tirer) a ?crit :
>
>> */Putain d'encodeur de merde avec vos formats ? la con, qui demandent 
>> ? enculer une centaine de poule avant de pouvoir ?tre lu, n'apportent 
>> rien ? part votre putain de nom dans la cr?ation d'un programme ? la 
>> con, putain de vaniteux d'mes deux, je pisse sur votre format de 
>> merde!/*
>>  
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Matroska-general mailing list
>> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
>> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general
>
>



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Jan 11 13:30:35 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:30:35 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Impressive new product
Message-ID: <41E3C6EB.6040206@free.fr>

http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/Disques_durs_externes_LaCie_a_brancher_sur_la_TV.htm

A portable HDD that can play :

MPEG-1, MPEG-2 (ISO, AVI, VOB), MPEG-4 (AVI, DivX, XviD), WAV, MP3, AAC, 
WMA, AC3. It's relatively cheap considering that you can put many DVDs 
in there and take it with you everywhere. Plus the video output uses an 
HDMI connector (digital).

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From alexander.noe at s2001.tu-chemnitz.de  Tue Jan 11 13:38:01 2005
From: alexander.noe at s2001.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Noe')
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:38:01 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Impressive new product
In-Reply-To: <41E3C6EB.6040206@free.fr>
References: <41E3C6EB.6040206@free.fr>
Message-ID: <41E3C8A9.80504@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>

Steve Lhomme wrote:

> http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/Disques_durs_externes_LaCie_a_brancher_sur_la_TV.htm 
>
>
> A portable HDD that can play :
>
> MPEG-1, MPEG-2 (ISO, AVI, VOB), MPEG-4 (AVI, DivX, XviD), WAV, MP3, 
> AAC, WMA, AC3. It's relatively cheap considering that you can put many 
> DVDs in there and take it with you everywhere. Plus the video output 
> uses an HDMI connector (digital).

What about AAC-in-AVI?


Alex




From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Jan 11 13:48:17 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 13:48:17 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Impressive new product
In-Reply-To: <41E3C8A9.80504@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>
References: <41E3C6EB.6040206@free.fr> <41E3C8A9.80504@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de>
Message-ID: <41E3CB11.6050902@free.fr>

Alexander Noe' a ?crit :
> Steve Lhomme wrote:
> 
>> http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/Disques_durs_externes_LaCie_a_brancher_sur_la_TV.htm 
>>
>>
>> A portable HDD that can play :
>>
>> MPEG-1, MPEG-2 (ISO, AVI, VOB), MPEG-4 (AVI, DivX, XviD), WAV, MP3, 
>> AAC, WMA, AC3. It's relatively cheap considering that you can put many 
>> DVDs in there and take it with you everywhere. Plus the video output 
>> uses an HDMI connector (digital).
> 
> 
> What about AAC-in-AVI?

You can contact LaCie :D
I wonder if they internally use VLC or something similar. Because all 
this stuff is quite new to them. Or maybe they built a software around a 
chip that can decode all this (there aren't many that can decode AAC).


From christophe.paris at free.fr  Tue Jan 11 20:14:51 2005
From: christophe.paris at free.fr (Christophe PARIS)
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2005 20:14:51 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Impressive new product
In-Reply-To: <41E3C6EB.6040206@free.fr>
References: <41E3C6EB.6040206@free.fr>
Message-ID: <41E425AB.4000308@free.fr>

You have this one also :
http://ldlc.fr/fiche/PB00024196.html

No digital output though.

Steve Lhomme wrote:
> http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/Disques_durs_externes_LaCie_a_brancher_sur_la_TV.htm 
> 
> 
> A portable HDD that can play :
> 
> MPEG-1, MPEG-2 (ISO, AVI, VOB), MPEG-4 (AVI, DivX, XviD), WAV, MP3, AAC, 
> WMA, AC3. It's relatively cheap considering that you can put many DVDs 
> in there and take it with you everywhere. Plus the video output uses an 
> HDMI connector (digital).
> 



From chris at matroska.org  Fri Jan 14 21:03:56 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2005 21:03:56 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: MediaInfo 0.5]
Message-ID: <41E825AC.4060101@matroska.org>

FYI

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: 	MediaInfo 0.5
Datum: 	Wed, 12 Jan 2005 00:58:44 +0100
Von: 	Zen <Zen at MediaArea.net>
An: 	chris at matroska.org



Hi,

I saw you have spoken of MediaInfo in "news" section.
A new version is out, with better support of matroska (and with last libs).

http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net

Zen,
   developper of MediaInfo




From christian_mc_cabe at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 15 12:46:33 2005
From: christian_mc_cabe at hotmail.com (christian Mc Cabe)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:46:33 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] recode Matroska .mkv
Message-ID: <BAY19-F3FF6003E0D42128B21BECB58C0@phx.gbl>

Hello,
I have a movie in a Motroska container, but I would like to recode it to a 
diffrent format so I can put it on a DVD and my DVD-player can play the 
file!! I have checked out the www.matroska.org website and looked around for 
some help, but I couldn't find it. Do you have any suggestions how I could 
recode it, or do you know any program's I could use for this?
I would realy apreciate to hear from you! :)

kind regards,
Christian Mc cabe

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sat Jan 15 14:02:16 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:02:16 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] recode Matroska .mkv
In-Reply-To: <BAY19-F3FF6003E0D42128B21BECB58C0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY19-F3FF6003E0D42128B21BECB58C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <41E91458.1080204@free.fr>

Depending on your input format you can use different applications.
The safest one is TMPEGEnc that can even encode files using RealVideo.

We don't have a guide to do that on the website, but you should find 
some on the net.

Good luck

christian Mc Cabe a ?crit :
> Hello,
> I have a movie in a Motroska container, but I would like to recode it to 
> a diffrent format so I can put it on a DVD and my DVD-player can play 
> the file!! I have checked out the www.matroska.org website and looked 
> around for some help, but I couldn't find it. Do you have any 
> suggestions how I could recode it, or do you know any program's I could 
> use for this?
> I would realy apreciate to hear from you! :)
> 
> kind regards,
> Christian Mc cabe
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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> http://messenger.msn.nl/
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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Jan 18 17:43:46 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 17:43:46 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Video related news
Message-ID: <41ED3CC2.6020008@free.fr>

The new DVD protection of Sony cracked :
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=12190


Samsung gives money to DivX :
http://www.pcinpact.com/actu/news/Samsung_investit_dans_la_societe_DivX_Networks.htm

DivX protects Bollywood :
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=12188


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From terrus at ntlworld.com  Tue Jan 18 19:20:46 2005
From: terrus at ntlworld.com (terrus)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 18:20:46 -0000
Subject: [Matroska-general] convert
Message-ID: <001901c4fd8a$6e2b1d50$3169a2c0@terrus>

yes it works..great..but how can i change it to play on a DVD HOME PLAYER????
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From paul at msn.com  Wed Jan 19 09:19:44 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 02:19:44 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: convert
References: <001901c4fd8a$6e2b1d50$3169a2c0@terrus>
Message-ID: <csl56i$uq3$1@sea.gmane.org>

TMPGEnc.  Use Google to search for guides on how to do this.

  "terrus" <terrus at ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:001901c4fd8a$6e2b1d50$3169a2c0 at terrus...
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From christian at matroska.org  Fri Jan 21 23:23:21 2005
From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 23:23:21 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: [Feature Request] Matroska Chapter Support]
Message-ID: <41F180D9.9000200@matroska.org>

FYI ..... good idea ;)

-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Betreff: [Feature Request] Matroska Chapter Support
Datum: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 22:30:28 +0000
Von: aladdin2k3 at netcourrier.com
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.video.xine.devel

Hi,

First of all congratulation for your work.
Just wanted to know if it's possible to implement matroska chapter 
support in libxine ?

Documentation :
http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/chapters/index.html

Thank you very much.

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From paul at msn.com  Mon Jan 24 06:32:35 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2005 23:32:35 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Relevant video
Message-ID: <ct219f$9s$1@sea.gmane.org>

This video clip is strangely relevant.
http://commo.de/smirnoff.mov


Atamido 





From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Jan 24 17:07:08 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2005 17:07:08 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Big DRM alliance
Message-ID: <41F51D2C.7060009@free.fr>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/01/24/community_source_program/

It's even almost open source (probably given you pay the fee).

"Coral is expected to be based on Intertrust?s NEMO architecture for DRM 
service orchestration which will have the capability built in to work 
with existing DRM systems such as Microsoft?s Media DRM and Apple?s 
Fairplay and Sony?s MagicGate, but in order to do so, each DRM owner 
would have to agree to ?open? their DRM to the interoperability standard."

That would be nice.

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From broktbones at yahoo.com  Wed Jan 26 20:38:21 2005
From: broktbones at yahoo.com (Tony W)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 11:38:21 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Matroska-general] two languages playing at same time
Message-ID: <20050126193821.79560.qmail@web61007.mail.yahoo.com>

While watching the series rahxephon, the first half of
the series was in .ogm format so i installed Lazy
Man's MKV, and it played if smoothly.  However, the
rest of the series is in .mkv format and when i watch
it with window media player 9, the original japanese
voices and the dubbed ones are on at the same time,
with no option to allow me to disable the dubbed, even
with your mkv pack installed.  Please help me solve
this issue, the series was getting real good! Thanks.


		
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From moritz at bunkus.org  Wed Jan 26 20:49:47 2005
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 20:49:47 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] two languages playing at same time
In-Reply-To: <20050126193821.79560.qmail@web61007.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050126193821.79560.qmail@web61007.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <200501262049.50058.moritz@bunkus.org>

Hey,

Please read this thread:

http://lists.matroska.org/pipermail/matroska-users/2005-January/000435.html

Mosu

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From kwit78 at hotmail.com  Thu Jan 27 20:23:58 2005
From: kwit78 at hotmail.com (Chris)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 19:23:58 -0000
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: burning mkv files
Message-ID: <BAY20-DAV7234517A27C3F8DF42DDDC1780@phx.gbl>

Hello,
I have encountered numerous problems trying to burn an mkv file to dvd/svcd/vcd. I would like to know how i can create one file - avi/mpg - which contains both the audio and the video, so i can then use dvd autoring software to make a dvd. 
I have tried lots of programs which are supposed to do the job but they have not been successful. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated while i still have hair!!
Thanks,
Chris Lewis
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From paul at msn.com  Thu Jan 27 23:46:06 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:46:06 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: burning mkv files
References: <BAY20-DAV7234517A27C3F8DF42DDDC1780@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <ctbquu$4be$1@sea.gmane.org>

TMPGEnc.  Use Google for instructions.
  "Chris" <kwit78 at hotmail.com> wrote in message news:BAY20-DAV7234517A27C3F8DF42DDDC1780 at phx.gbl...
  Hello,
  I have encountered numerous problems trying to burn an mkv file to dvd/svcd/vcd. I would like to know how i can create one file - avi/mpg - which contains both the audio and the video, so i can then use dvd autoring software to make a dvd. 
  I have tried lots of programs which are supposed to do the job but they have not been successful. Any help or guidance would be greatly appreciated while i still have hair!!
  Thanks,
  Chris Lewis


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From Skaarj_ at mail.ru  Fri Jan 28 18:22:52 2005
From: Skaarj_ at mail.ru (Skaarj_)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 20:22:52 +0300
Subject: [Matroska-general] menues in MKV
Message-ID: <000801c5055e$005a9bd0$1707a8c0@skaarj>

DivX Labs has released another beta of their "Fusion" which is more of a package than just a codec. The .divx file format, which is an "extended" .avi, can contain subs and menus as well as video and multiple audiotracks and should be playable on DivX certified standalones even though the menus and subs might need a firmware upgrade.
http://www.doom9.org/

when we can see menues in Mkv?

? ????? ?? ???? ? ???????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????????. 
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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Jan 28 21:04:06 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 21:04:06 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] menues in MKV
In-Reply-To: <000801c5055e$005a9bd0$1707a8c0@skaarj>
References: <000801c5055e$005a9bd0$1707a8c0@skaarj>
Message-ID: <41FA9AB6.3090306@free.fr>

Thanx for your interrest in Matroska :)

We are aware about that and will hopefully be able to convert DXN files 
to Matroska files too :)

The status of menu in Matroska is :
* specs complete
* muxing compliant files work
* we need playback (will be hard on DirectShow, but we're going to do it 
in VLC too)

So you just need to wait for a fine VLC version in the coming 
weeks/months. It will be this year for sure. And hopefully before DXN 
release their stuff...

Skaarj_ a ?crit :
> DivX Labs has released another beta of their "Fusion" which is more of a 
> package than just a codec. The .divx file format, which is an "extended" 
> .avi, can contain subs and menus as well as video and multiple 
> audiotracks and should be playable on DivX certified standalones even 
> though the menus and subs might need a firmware upgrade.
> http://www.doom9.org/
>  
> when we can see menues in Mkv?
>  
> ? ????? ?? ???? ? ???????? ??????? ???? ?? ????????????.
> 
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From chris at matroska.org  Sat Jan 29 17:52:31 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2005 17:52:31 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] New DVDplayer claiming to offer matroska support
Message-ID: <41FBBF4F.1080406@matroska.org>


FYI, as discussed on IRC today :

http://www.zensonic.com/press_z500.php


From chris at matroska.org  Sun Jan 30 07:16:53 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 07:16:53 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-devel] New DVDplayer claiming to
	offer matroska support
In-Reply-To: <41FBBF4F.1080406@matroska.org>
References: <41FBBF4F.1080406@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <41FC7BD5.7060106@matroska.org>

In addition to that, read here ( page 5 ) :

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5085853#post5085853


Christian HJ Wiesner schrieb:

>
> FYI, as discussed on IRC today :
>
> http://www.zensonic.com/press_z500.php
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