From steve.lhomme at free.fr Tue Jul 6 11:23:05 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2004 11:23:05 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] www.matroska.org Message-ID: <40EA6F79.2000500@free.fr> As you know, we have now a server to host www.matroska.org in Russia. It is now active, set up and all the website is there except for the samples part that will be redirected to free.fr... The website has been a big mess for a long time now. And even though some have tried to clean it, it is still a huge mess (code, organisation, design). I've spent the morning trying to fix some things : - matroska.org, matroska.corecodec.org, matroska.free.fr should never be used, only www.matroska.org - no more javascript, if you want to make a playskool website, do it on your own one There are still a *lot* of thing waiting to be done. Like : - clean XHTML code - clean CSS code - track broken links - all files to download should point to dl.matroska.org - make the code as modular and easy to maintain as possible (PHP and SSI if needed) - setup a SVN/CVS repository to update the code automatically, will make it easier to work with the team (ie, please don't overwrite all the changes I just made) To do so there are some nice tools from W3C to help you : http://www.w3.org/QA/Tools/#validators Also when uploading the files (in /www/matroska.org/data/) you should set the permissions to 775 (Read for all, Write for you and your group, Execute for all). -- robUx4 on blog From paul at msn.com Tue Jul 6 20:08:16 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 13:08:16 -0500 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: www.matroska.org References: <40EA6F79.2000500@free.fr> Message-ID: "Steve Lhomme" wrote... > I've spent the morning trying to fix some things : > - no more javascript, if you want to make a playskool website, do it on > your own one AFAIK, there shouldn't be any javascript on the recently redesigned webpages. > There are still a *lot* of thing waiting to be done. Like : > - clean XHTML code Just a heads up, the mozilla folks recommend using HTML 4.01 instead of XHTML at the moment due to incomplete support. > - clean CSS code The entire site has been layed out using CSS now. You can pretty much redesign the entire thing by just changing the CSS. You could evenmake it look exactly like it used to. Right now its using A design that I thought was nice, but I'm not married to it. I moved the style label from the HTML to the CSS so it doesn't validate, but it will be removed altogether once a color scheme is decided on. At them moment it is just used to ensure that all browsers will force the PNG logos to use full alpha transparency. Once a background color/design is decided on, it will be a simple matter to make this a standard 8bit graphic. There is a little bit of CSS on each of the pages, but I will soon be moving that to another CSS file. > - track broken links > - all files to download should point to dl.matroska.org > - make the code as modular and easy to maintain as possible (PHP and SSI > if needed) You could make things a little easier by using PHP includes in the page, but that would require all of the pages use absolute links instead of the relative ones the use right now. IE, /images/flag-uk.gif instead of ../images/flag-uk.gif due to the varying levels of the site. Its a tradeoff. > - setup a SVN/CVS repository to update the code automatically, will make > it easier to work with the team (ie, please don't overwrite all the > changes I just made) Yes. Atamido From christian at matroska.org Wed Jul 7 11:04:37 2004 From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 11:04:37 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: OGG/OGM media container In-Reply-To: <20040706120202.GC1234@ghostscript.com> References: <00ff01c46343$827aa190$0100000a@tiger> <20040706120202.GC1234@ghostscript.com> Message-ID: <40EBBCA5.8050104@matroska.org> Some comments from our side : Ralph Giles wrote: > On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 03:51:17AM -0700, Nilesh Bansal wrote: >>So this means ogg/ogm are actually same but ogm uses some standard headers >>while ogg does not put any such restrictions. That is ogm is a ogg, but >>not vice-versa. > Correct. I would also say that the ogmtools provides the standard du > jeur for encapsulating various common-in-avi codecs in an Ogg bitstream, > like 'divx', 'mp3' and so on. > As far as I know, the ogmtools source is the best documentation > available for those encapsulations Tobias Waldvogel, the 'inventor' of OGM basically found a way to add the complete DirectShow/VfW headers for codec recognition ( BITMAPINFOHEADER, WAVEFORMATEX ) into the Ogg stream. That way any recognized stream from DirectShow, be it AC3, DivX, XviD, MP3, etc. can be muxed into Ogg, and also be extracted from there and put into an AVI. This is very similar to what we in the matroska team are calling 'DirectShow compatibility mode' for MKV, allowing the same. I know its not in the center of cour interest to have other formats than the Xiph formats in Ogg, but again i feel you are doing a mistake by not adding this possibility to the official Ogg specs, but thats just IMO. >>And saying >> ogg - extension for for audio only files >> ogm - extension for audio + video files >>is _wrong_, as the 2 extensions are not just conventions but also differ >>technically (though they are more-or-less similar). > Yes, this is very wrong. I suppose the ogm extension just implies the > presence of the AVI stream headers in the logical bitstreams. Some people were following earlier advice from the Xiph team that Ogg files are always Ogg files, whatever their content is, and renamed them from .ogm to .ogg ;-) .... >>So xiph "officialy support" ogg and not ogm. But i am not able to find any >>tool to create ogg files. www.xiph.org provide no information about >>OGG either. > Ogg is documented at http://xiph.org/ogg/doc/ (which looks like it needs > some webmaster help) > The main documents are in http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/ogg/doc > and the Ogg format (aside from some of the multiplexing details) are > also documented in RFC 3533. There are many tools to create Ogg files already, and Ogg ( meanwhile ) is well documented. >>Also, what is status of OGM? Is that stable and usable? If yes why >>mencoder etc, dont provide a option to produce a OGM instead of AVI. > I understand it's in wide use by the anime fansub community. We > officially and actively don't recommend it, both because it doesn't > match our technical philosophy for Ogg, and because our whole raison > d'etre is to provide free alternatives to mp3 and divx. So please don't > encourage people to add support. :) OGM hasnt seen any progress since a long time, so its quite safe to call it stable i guess. For its community, i expect that many users would stop doing so if they knew Xiph's official opinion on OGM, they still believe OGM is Xiph's baby and this is the official way to combine Vorbis audio with DivX/Xvid video. No offense, just my 2 cents. >>>Matroska is a different project group... i think they represent two >>>different philosophies... matroska is more a kitchen sink format, whereas >>>ogg is an absolute bare bones format. Which you think is better really > I think that's a nice way of saying that the the matroska folks didn't > like (or didn't understand) what we were trying to do with the ogg > design. I believe their idea was to make a hierarchically searchable > file format with the idea that that would work better than ogg for > editing. Ogg is designed as a streaming format only, although one could > easily build an editing system on top of it. -r The decision to not build the AVI replacement, which was and still is our major motivation to make matroska, based on Ogg was basically the result of a number of facts and incidents, mainly around OGM and the way Xiph reacted to it at that time. If anybody should be interested in the history of it all, just send me an email and i gladly explain to you how and why it all started. Speaking of Ogg, we are still convinced that there is not enough information on the container level, and too much has to be done on the decoder level, especially for editing purposes. For content distribution and streaming this approach is quite good, although we also feel a bit more complexity could have improved Ogg's capabilities and the comparison to other competing containers, aiming for the same thing, like RM, ASF and in future mainly MP4, but this was Monty's decision to keep it as simple as possible, and there are of course some very nice advantages of doing that, especially with respect to Xiph's opensource approach. As Ogg and matroska are now aiming for completely different purposes, they will both co-exist nicely, i have no doubts in that. Ogg is focussing on high compatibility and playability, making it ideal for content distribution, as well as streaming. Ogg is ment to become the free alternative for content distribution, and there can be no doubt that we will support Ogg Theora best we can from all our tools. matroska on the other hand is competing with MOV and Quicktime, and aiming to replace AVI and VfW/Dshow, as a general use container ( = 'kitchen sink format', to repeat Nilesh ;-) ) with a clear focus on video and audio editing. We understood that we need a working multimedia framework to be able to become a real alternative for codec developers, and for all platforms, thats why for the time being we are working on porting Gstreamer to win32 ( and later Mac OSX ), and will define a simple but powerful codec API, wrapping the gstreamer plugin API, so that developers can start to make their own codecs, just like what happenend with DivX and VfW ( VCM ) years ago ( and even works with Speex via the ACM codec that was made for it ), so they can put their own streams in the MKV container. Based on that we are planning to make a nice editor also, but lets first get the basic framework working. I hope that on this basis it should be finally possible to establish a good and friendly relationship between the Xiph and the Corecodec people. A first start could be if the Xiph guys would stop telling the world that the matroska team hasnt understood Ogg. In fact, some of our team members know a lot more about Ogg, video in Ogg and especially OGM than you guys might think ;) .... Best regards Christian matroska project admin From joerg at britannica.bec.de Wed Jul 7 12:11:59 2004 From: joerg at britannica.bec.de (Joerg Sonnenberger) Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 12:11:59 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: www.matroska.org In-Reply-To: References: <40EA6F79.2000500@free.fr> Message-ID: <20040707101159.GA27729@britannica.bec.de> On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 01:08:16PM -0500, Paul Bryson wrote: > > There are still a *lot* of thing waiting to be done. Like : > > - clean XHTML code > > Just a heads up, the mozilla folks recommend using HTML 4.01 instead of > XHTML at the moment due to incomplete support. This is not fully correct. You shouldn't use the XHTML DTD or the XML prolog (), because esp. the Internet Explorer has quite a lot of problems. With these two exceptions, you can use full XHTML. Joerg From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Jul 7 12:45:10 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 07 Jul 2004 12:45:10 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: www.matroska.org In-Reply-To: <20040707101159.GA27729@britannica.bec.de> References: <40EA6F79.2000500@free.fr> <20040707101159.GA27729@britannica.bec.de> Message-ID: <40EBD436.2030708@free.fr> Joerg Sonnenberger a ?crit : > On Tue, Jul 06, 2004 at 01:08:16PM -0500, Paul Bryson wrote: > >>>There are still a *lot* of thing waiting to be done. Like : >>>- clean XHTML code >> >>Just a heads up, the mozilla folks recommend using HTML 4.01 instead of >>XHTML at the moment due to incomplete support. > > > This is not fully correct. You shouldn't use the XHTML DTD or the XML > prolog (), because esp. the Internet Explorer has > quite a lot of problems. With these two exceptions, you can use full XHTML. Ah yes, very true. I used to put the XML header but finally removed it as it would cause troubles. I wonder wether XHTML without that is still valid XHTML. The w3c validator says so :D -- robUx4 on blog From christian at matroska.org Sun Jul 11 22:27:45 2004 From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 22:27:45 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: OGM support for oggdemux In-Reply-To: <1088957452.18990.10.camel@shrek.bitfreak.net> References: <1088353939.23713.5.camel@home> <1088956426.40e8280a6d0ec@rzaixsrv6.rrz.uni-hamburg.de> <1088957452.18990.10.camel@shrek.bitfreak.net> Message-ID: <40F1A2C1.7090909@matroska.org> Ronald S. Bultje wrote: > Hi, > Sun, 2004-07-04 at 17:53, Benjamin Otte wrote: >>I don't like that patch, for a simple reason: I intend oggdemux to stay agnostic >>of the contents and get caps information and so on via typefinding and external >>elements. > > Is Ogg any different from OGM? As in, are the streams somewhat > different? If so, you could make a separate ogmdemux element that is a > subclass of oggdemux, and have that specifically handle OGM, while > oggdemux keeps handling Ogg only. > If not, I'm affraid we have no solution for this problem and I'm affraid > we'll have to apply the patch anyway; I don't think you can typefind the > OGM-supported codecs, can you... > Ronald I was recently talking to Jack Moffit, one of the founders and heads of Xiph, and their 'official' opinion about OGM is that they are trying to ignore it whenever they can, because it was made to contain 'non-free' codecs like MPEG4. Jack has a very relaxed feeling about matroska, being a general purpose container, while he wants Ogg to be a transport layer for the Xiph codecs, and other free codecs. So, while OGM is in principal competing with matroska ( its basically what we call 'DirectShow compatibility mode' in MKV, but for Ogg ), Ogg itself is not, at least from his point of view, and i cant agree more. Speaking of your demuxers, you should build them with that in mind, i.e. try to separate the OGM demuxer classes on top of the Ogg parser, so that future updates of the Ogg codebase dont require to rewrite OGM support, if this is possible at all. just my 2 cents Christian matroska project admin http://www.matroska.org From fiber at tpg.com.au Wed Jul 14 10:11:38 2004 From: fiber at tpg.com.au (Vladimir Zhuravlyov) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 18:11:38 +1000 Subject: [Matroska-general] MKV to DVD? Message-ID: <007901c4697a$30ad5910$3a84f5dc@fiber> Hi, I have a question. I know it is possible to covert DVD to MKV. But I need to do the opposite process. I downloaded a movie in MKV format and I want to convert it to mpg2 and then to burn it to DVD. So my question is if you could please help me with the name of the program (converter) that can do it. I will appreciate it a lot. Thank you, Yours, Vladimir. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at matroska.org Wed Jul 14 15:58:06 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:58:06 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Welcoming our new team member : goldenear Message-ID: <40F53BEE.7000409@matroska.org> Hi, i have the pleasure to announce that a new member has joined us. His nick is goldenear and he is specialized on finding good solutions to store complete CDs in a single MKA file, his last Guide is here : http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=23019&hl=matroska His email goldenear AT matroska.org is up, and we hope to be able to welcome him on our IRC channel on irc.corecodec.com , #matroska soon, to discuss how we can proceed to make storing complete albums in MKA files even more powerful tha it is today already. Regards Christian matroska project admin From chris at matroska.org Sat Jul 17 08:26:08 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 08:26:08 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] IMPORTANT ! Missing test files, pls. search for them Message-ID: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> Hi Team and users, it seems i made a very bad mistake and deleted two important sample files from the 'anamorphic test' on http://www.matroska.org/samples/anamorphic , called starwars10MB-1.mkv starwars10MB-2.mkv Please do me the favour and search your HDDs for them, otherwise i fear they might be lost and we have to remove this part of the samples page :-/ . They were obviously lost because i was sure they were hosted on atomic's server, but instead the download links pointed to my other two T-Online accounts ( max. 10 MB, but fast and unlimited ), and they were overwritten when i used them to distribute the alpha's of DVDtoMKV. Go start the search NOW pls. , i invested a lot of time to make them, and i am convince they did us very good service to promote the AR correction feature, and also Thomas van der Stichelen needs some test files for better AR correction in the Gstreamer MKV plugin ;) ... Thanks for your help Christian From christian at matroska.org Sat Jul 17 09:19:29 2004 From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:19:29 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: gst-ffmpeg release and gstreamer prereleases In-Reply-To: <1089985744.30227.16.camel@otto.amantes> References: <1089985744.30227.16.camel@otto.amantes> Message-ID: <40F8D301.6060900@matroska.org> Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > GStreamer FFmpeg 0.8.1 has just been released. > In related news, rpms for FC1 and FC2 of the core prelease have now hit > our repository, together with the new FFmpeg release. > Let us know if you run into trouble. > Thomas No news about the win32 build :-( ? I know i am going on your nerves, but IMO we should really try to find a solution here. Cant we advertise on sourceforge ( job proposal ), seeking for somebody who is volunteering to care about this full time ? Believe me, even with a very very limited functionality, and be it only MP3 encoding from a WAV file ( LOL :-) ), a prrof of concept would help a lot to get people interested. Christian matroska project admin From thomas at apestaart.org Sat Jul 17 09:49:37 2004 From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 09:49:37 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: gst-ffmpeg release and gstreamer prereleases In-Reply-To: <40F8D301.6060900@matroska.org> References: <1089985744.30227.16.camel@otto.amantes> <40F8D301.6060900@matroska.org> Message-ID: <1090050572.30227.32.camel@otto.amantes> Hi Christian, > Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > > GStreamer FFmpeg 0.8.1 has just been released. > > In related news, rpms for FC1 and FC2 of the core prelease have now hit > > our repository, together with the new FFmpeg release. > > Let us know if you run into trouble. > > Thomas > > No news about the win32 build :-( ? The win32 build is in your hands, no ? > I know i am going on your nerves, No, you're not. I'm excited about the win32 stuff, I just can't do a whole lot about it :) > but IMO we should really try to find a solution here. Cant we advertise > on sourceforge ( job proposal ), seeking for somebody who is > volunteering to care about this full time ? I'm not following - you guys are in charge of the win32 part, Steve has commit access, what more should we do at this point ? > > Believe me, even with a very very limited functionality, and be it only > MP3 encoding from a WAV file ( LOL :-) ), a prrof of concept would help > a lot to get people interested. I agree. Isn't Steve close to doing exactly this ? Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> I know everybody here wants you I know everybody here thinks he needs you And I'll be waiting right here just to show you how our love will blow it all away <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/ From steve.lhomme at free.fr Sat Jul 17 10:46:04 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 10:46:04 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] IMPORTANT ! Missing test files, pls. search for them In-Reply-To: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> References: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> Message-ID: <40F8E74C.3060003@free.fr> Christian HJ Wiesner wrote: > Hi Team and users, > > it seems i made a very bad mistake and deleted two important sample > files from the 'anamorphic test' on > http://www.matroska.org/samples/anamorphic , called > > starwars10MB-1.mkv > starwars10MB-2.mkv > > Please do me the favour and search your HDDs for them, otherwise i fear > they might be lost and we have to remove this part of the samples page > :-/ . They were obviously lost because i was sure they were hosted on > atomic's server, but instead the download links pointed to my other two > T-Online accounts ( max. 10 MB, but fast and unlimited ), and they were > overwritten when i used them to distribute the alpha's of DVDtoMKV. > > Go start the search NOW pls. , i invested a lot of time to make them, > and i am convince they did us very good service to promote the AR > correction feature, and also Thomas van der Stichelen needs some test > files for better AR correction in the Gstreamer MKV plugin ;) ... I have never had these files... From christophe.paris at free.fr Sat Jul 17 11:03:59 2004 From: christophe.paris at free.fr (Christophe PARIS) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:03:59 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] IMPORTANT ! Missing test files, pls. search for them In-Reply-To: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> References: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> Message-ID: <40F8EB7F.3040204@free.fr> There is still this file on free.fr : http://matroska.free.fr/samples/archive/StarwarsAAC5_1anamorphicXviD.mkv Christian HJ Wiesner wrote: > Hi Team and users, > > it seems i made a very bad mistake and deleted two important sample > files from the 'anamorphic test' on > http://www.matroska.org/samples/anamorphic , called > > starwars10MB-1.mkv > starwars10MB-2.mkv > > Please do me the favour and search your HDDs for them, otherwise i fear > they might be lost and we have to remove this part of the samples page > :-/ . They were obviously lost because i was sure they were hosted on > atomic's server, but instead the download links pointed to my other two > T-Online accounts ( max. 10 MB, but fast and unlimited ), and they were > overwritten when i used them to distribute the alpha's of DVDtoMKV. > > Go start the search NOW pls. , i invested a lot of time to make them, > and i am convince they did us very good service to promote the AR > correction feature, and also Thomas van der Stichelen needs some test > files for better AR correction in the Gstreamer MKV plugin ;) ... > > Thanks for your help > > Christian From jcsston at wiesneronline.net Sat Jul 17 10:57:09 2004 From: jcsston at wiesneronline.net (Jory) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:57:09 -0500 Subject: [Matroska-general] IMPORTANT ! Missing test files, pls. search for them References: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> Message-ID: <007301c46bdc$13451c50$0200a8c0@jcsston> I have the starwars10MB-2.mkv, dated from July 30, 2003. + EBML head + Segment, size 10460991 |+ Segment information | + Muxing application: libebml-0.5.0 & libmatroska-0.5.0 | + Writing application: VirtualDubMod 1.5.4.1a (build 1946/release) | + Duration: 38.600s (00:00:38.600) | + Date: Wed Jul 30 00:08:57 2003 UTC |+ Seek head (subentries will be skipped) |+ EbmlVoid (size: 154419) |+ Segment tracks | + A track | + Track number: 1 | + Track UID: 2410356565 | + Track type: video | + MinCache: 1 | + Codec ID: V_MS/VFW/FOURCC | + CodecPrivate, length 40 (FourCC: XVID, 0x44495658) | + Lacing flag: 0 | + Default duration: 40.000ms (25.000 fps for a video track) | + Video track | + Pixel width: 560 | + Pixel height: 352 | + Display width: 832 | + Display height: 352 | + A track | + Track number: 2 | + Track UID: 914517252 | + Track type: audio | + Codec ID: A_VORBIS | + CodecPrivate, length 3941 | + Audio track | + Sampling frequency: 48000.000000 | + Channels: 2 |+ Cluster I also have a StarwarsAAC5_1anamorphicXviD.mkv dated June 02, 2003, not sure where it came from. + EBML head + Segment, size 10359997 |+ Seek head (subentries will be skipped) |+ EbmlVoid (size: 984) |+ Segment information | + Muxing application: | + Writing application: | + Duration: 32.600s (00:00:32.600) | + Date: Mon Jun 02 01:03:02 2003 UTC |+ Segment tracks | + A track | + Track number: 1 | + Track UID: 2565026245 | + Track type: video | + MinCache: 1 | + Codec ID: V_MS/VFW/FOURCC | + CodecPrivate, length 40 (FourCC: XVID, 0x44495658) | + MaxCache: 1 | + Video track | + Pixel width: 720 | + Pixel height: 432 | + Display height: 432 | + Display width: 1015 | + Frame rate: 25.000000 | + A track | + Track number: 2 | + Track UID: 763023921 | + Track type: audio | + Codec ID: A_AAC/MPEG2/LC | + Audio track | + Sampling frequency: 44100.000000 | + Channels: 6 |+ Cluster Jory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christian HJ Wiesner" To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" ; ; "Questions, help, instructions, talk about Matroska" Sent: Saturday, July 17, 2004 1:26 AM Subject: [Matroska-general] IMPORTANT ! Missing test files,pls. search for them > Hi Team and users, > > it seems i made a very bad mistake and deleted two important sample > files from the 'anamorphic test' on > http://www.matroska.org/samples/anamorphic , called > > starwars10MB-1.mkv > starwars10MB-2.mkv > > Please do me the favour and search your HDDs for them, otherwise i fear > they might be lost and we have to remove this part of the samples page > :-/ . They were obviously lost because i was sure they were hosted on > atomic's server, but instead the download links pointed to my other two > T-Online accounts ( max. 10 MB, but fast and unlimited ), and they were > overwritten when i used them to distribute the alpha's of DVDtoMKV. > > Go start the search NOW pls. , i invested a lot of time to make them, > and i am convince they did us very good service to promote the AR > correction feature, and also Thomas van der Stichelen needs some test > files for better AR correction in the Gstreamer MKV plugin ;) ... > > Thanks for your help > > Christian > _______________________________________________ > Matroska-general mailing list > Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org > http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general From andrew_san15 at hotmail.com Sat Jul 17 05:20:01 2004 From: andrew_san15 at hotmail.com (andrew san) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 03:20:01 +0000 Subject: [Matroska-general] not working Message-ID: hey, ive installed your codec pack (v 1.0.2) to play a mkv file but it wont work. pls help me out. -Andrew _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium includes powerful parental controls and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines From moritz at bunkus.org Sun Jul 18 18:36:34 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 18:36:34 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] mkvtoolnix 0.9.3 released Message-ID: <20040718163634.GP18991@bunkus.org> Heya, here's yet another version of mkvtoolnix, 0.9.3. A couple of bug fixes and a small usability enhancement. The homepage: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/index.html The sources: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/mkvtoolnix-0.9.3.tar.bz2 The Windows binaries: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-0.9.3.rar The various Linux packages are still being built and will be available from the homepage shortly. Here's the ChangeLog since the 0.9.2 release: ----------------------------------------------------- 2004-07-18 Moritz Bunkus * Released v0.9.3. * mmg: bug fix: The 'default track' checkbox was broken. 2004-07-14 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: Using '--cues ...:all' was broken for audio tracks that use lacing. 2004-07-13 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: The latest OpenDML AVI files generated by mencoder were not read correctly. Only the first RIFF chunk was processed. 2004-07-10 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: If the user does not specify a --language for a track 'und' ('undefined') will now be used instead of 'eng'. The user can use the new option '--default-language' to change that. 2004-07-07 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: new feature: When using a CUE sheet as a chapter file mkvmerge will automatically convert some of the entries to tags. 2004-07-03 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: The default track feature did not work correctly with the new --track-order. * mkvmerge: new feature: Added support for TTA lossless audio files. ----------------------------------------------------- Have fun. Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From steve.lhomme at free.fr Sun Jul 18 16:45:48 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:45:48 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska Round 2 Message-ID: <40FA8D1C.5060202@free.fr> Hi, As we now have a working/stable/powerful server for Matroska and a good SVN updating system (avoid many mistakes and make it possible to follow the evolution of the website) I think we should start spending some more time on it. I've just checked google and when looking for matroska, www.matroska.org comes first. That's good for people looking for informations on the format. But when looking for MKV, Liisachan's guide is not even first and many things are not related to Matroska. MKA is even worse, there is nothing related to matroska... So when people download MKV or MKA files (legally or not) they probably have no way of knowing that these are Matroska files. So IMO we should be working on this to let people know about it and also the benefits it can give. That means some guides, some use-case and a list of all available possibilities and future possibilities. Some pages any other site could like to as a reference information location. Any volunteer ? (with enough time) From steve.lhomme at free.fr Sun Jul 18 16:51:17 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2004 16:51:17 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [gst-devel] Re: gst-ffmpeg release and gstreamer prereleases In-Reply-To: <40F8D301.6060900@matroska.org> References: <1089985744.30227.16.camel@otto.amantes> <40F8D301.6060900@matroska.org> Message-ID: <40FA8E65.8020104@free.fr> ChristianHJW wrote: > Thomas Vander Stichele wrote: > >> GStreamer FFmpeg 0.8.1 has just been released. >> In related news, rpms for FC1 and FC2 of the core prelease have now hit >> our repository, together with the new FFmpeg release. >> Let us know if you run into trouble. >> Thomas > > > No news about the win32 build :-( ? I know i am going on your nerves, > but IMO we should really try to find a solution here. Cant we advertise > on sourceforge ( job proposal ), seeking for somebody who is > volunteering to care about this full time ? > > Believe me, even with a very very limited functionality, and be it only > MP3 encoding from a WAV file ( LOL :-) ), a prrof of concept would help > a lot to get people interested. > > Christian > matroska project admin I'm taking care of it even though it's very slow. I have higher priorities short-term Matroska things to do. But it's slowing down now. The current CVS of GStreamer can build all the basic GStreamer stuff. I am planning to build the testsuite for obvious reasons and then continue with a few plugins. But the most important thing is there : the CVS is now Windows friendly and myself or Marc or anyone willing to work on it (like Cyrius) could make it work without any hack. From chris at matroska.org Sat Jul 17 16:50:30 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:50:30 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] IMPORTANT ! Missing test files, pls. search for them In-Reply-To: <62221406.3018.1090064020@wiesneronline.net> References: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> <62221406.3018.1090064020@wiesneronline.net> Message-ID: <40F93CB6.70801@matroska.org> Christophe PARIS wrote: > There is still this file on free.fr : > http://matroska.free.fr/samples/archive/StarwarsAAC5_1anamorphicXviD.mkv Yeah, i know, i found this one also and sent Thomas from Gstreamer team the link. Its one of the first files with 5.1 HE-AAC, still in an experimental phase. Christian From chris at matroska.org Sat Jul 17 16:52:46 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2004 16:52:46 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] IMPORTANT ! Missing test files,pls. search for them In-Reply-To: <007301c46bdc$13451c50$0200a8c0@jcsston> References: <40F8C680.2000009@matroska.org> <007301c46bdc$13451c50$0200a8c0@jcsston> Message-ID: <40F93D3E.8040006@matroska.org> Jory wrote: >I have the starwars10MB-2.mkv, dated from July 30, 2003. > > Yeah, great, thats the one !!! Now, who has the -1 file on his HDD ? go make a search guys, pls .... Jory, can you please upload it to Haali's server ? best in /samples/anamorphic Christian From thomas at apestaart.org Mon Jul 19 10:40:00 2004 From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 10:40:00 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [gst-devel] Re: gst-ffmpeg release and gstreamer prereleases In-Reply-To: <40FA8E65.8020104@free.fr> References: <1089985744.30227.16.camel@otto.amantes> <40F8D301.6060900@matroska.org> <40FA8E65.8020104@free.fr> Message-ID: <1090226399.16690.5.camel@otto.amantes> Hi, > I'm taking care of it even though it's very slow. I have higher > priorities short-term Matroska things to do. But it's slowing down now. > > The current CVS of GStreamer can build all the basic GStreamer stuff. I > am planning to build the testsuite for obvious reasons and then continue > with a few plugins. But the most important thing is there : the CVS is > now Windows friendly and myself or Marc or anyone willing to work on it > (like Cyrius) could make it work without any hack. ... for which we are thankful ! Thomas Dave/Dina : future TV today ! - http://www.davedina.org/ <-*- thomas (dot) apestaart (dot) org -*-> I'm sick of spending these lonely nights training myself not to care <-*- thomas (at) apestaart (dot) org -*-> URGent, best radio on the net - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.fm/ From matjaz.cepon at DONITTESNIT.SI Mon Jul 19 11:08:00 2004 From: matjaz.cepon at DONITTESNIT.SI (=?iso-8859-2?Q?=C8EPON_Matja=BE?=) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 11:08:00 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] .mkv Message-ID: Hello, I have one small problem. I can not open the file which have .mkv extension. Can you please help me. Can you tell me, which program or codec I need. Thank you very much for help. Matja? ?EPON matjaz.cepon at donittesnit.si matjaz.cepon at amis.net From steve.lhomme at free.fr Mon Jul 19 14:28:20 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:28:20 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Missing spec file Message-ID: <40FBBE64.302@free.fr> Hi, I've been checking the dead links on the site. Appart from some older binary/source releases not available for the moment (anymore?) we really miss the following file : http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/subtitles/vobsubs.html I guess it describes how VobSubs are muxed into Matroska. Does anyone have such a file on his/her HD ? thx -- robUx4 on blog From moritz at bunkus.org Mon Jul 19 14:39:03 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:39:03 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-devel] Missing spec file In-Reply-To: <40FBBE64.302@free.fr> References: <40FBBE64.302@free.fr> Message-ID: <20040719123903.GQ18991@bunkus.org> Hi, > http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/subtitles/vobsubs.html I definitely do not have it, nor do I have it in my backup. Sorry. Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From steve.lhomme at free.fr Mon Jul 19 14:49:02 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 14:49:02 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Missing spec file In-Reply-To: <20040719123903.GQ18991@bunkus.org> References: <40FBBE64.302@free.fr> <20040719123903.GQ18991@bunkus.org> Message-ID: <40FBC33E.6080308@free.fr> Moritz Bunkus a ?crit : > Hi, > > >>http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/subtitles/vobsubs.html > > > I definitely do not have it, nor do I have it in my backup. Sorry. As it seems to be just the Images page with another name I have removed all bogus links to that page. -- robUx4 on blog From paul at msn.com Mon Jul 19 20:14:25 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2004 13:14:25 -0500 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Missing spec file References: <40FBBE64.302@free.fr> Message-ID: "Steve Lhomme" wrote... > I've been checking the dead links on the site. Appart from some older > binary/source releases not available for the moment (anymore?) we really > miss the following file : > > http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/subtitles/vobsubs.html > > I guess it describes how VobSubs are muxed into Matroska. Does anyone > have such a file on his/her HD ? I added that in with the intention of separating the Images and VobSubs pages. I wanted to have a page labeled specifically for VobSubs, and then another that just talked about how to use plain images as subs. Generically like Gif, PNG, or BMP. Atamido From rengram at hotmail.com Wed Jul 21 02:40:18 2004 From: rengram at hotmail.com (Ray Engram) Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:40:18 -0300 Subject: [Matroska-general] using a mkv file Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Jul 21 09:56:32 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:56:32 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] using a mkv file In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40FE21B0.3070803@free.fr> Ray Engram a ?crit : > I downloaded the matroska pack and my file still will not run in windows > media player. i get the sound and a green screen. The file works on my > freinds computer just fine, any idea what may cause it? THanks Try to install RealPlayer from there : http://www.real.com/ Or get Realcodec.exe (Real Alternative) : http://www.google.com/search?q=real+alternative -- robUx4 on blog From paul at msn.com Thu Jul 22 07:47:21 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2004 00:47:21 -0500 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: using a mkv file References: Message-ID: Also, try playing it in a player other than Windows Media Player. Search your harddrive for mplayer2.exe, or install TCMP, MPC, Zoom Player, BS Player, or any other number of players that are all much better at playing everything than WMP. Atamido "Ray Engram" wrote in message news:BAY1-F37iNKyKJWjewZ0000a126 at hotmail.com... I downloaded the matroska pack and my file still will not run in windows media player. i get the sound and a green screen. The file works on my freinds computer just fine, any idea what may cause it? THanks Raymond Up to 11 personalized e-mail addresses with MSN Premium: Join now and get the first two months FREE* _______________________________________________ Matroska-general mailing list Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general From moritz at bunkus.org Sun Jul 25 13:10:35 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:10:35 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] libebml and libmatroska 0.7.1 released Message-ID: <20040725111035.GL20225@bunkus.org> Heya, we've just released small updates for libebml and libmatroska. Both are at v0.7.1 and can be downloaded from http://dl.matroska.org/downloads/libebml/ and http://dl.matroska.org/downloads/libmatroska/ Binary packages for Debian/Unstable, RedHat and SuSE are available from my mkvtoolnix homepage at http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/ There was practically only one bug fix in the EBML libraries that prevented comparisons of UTFstring objects with the == operator from working. mkvtoolnix 0.9.4 needs these new versions. Have fun. Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From moritz at bunkus.org Sun Jul 25 13:16:33 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2004 13:16:33 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] mkvtoolnix 0.9.4 released Message-ID: <20040725111633.GM20225@bunkus.org> Heya, here's another release of mkvtoolnix - v0.9.4. Focus is again on bug fixes, but especially the CUE sheet management (reading a CUE sheet with --chapters and extracting such a CUE sheet from a Matroska file) has been overhauled and extended. Special thanks to Nicolas "goldenear" Le Guen who worked closely with me on the CUE sheet handling. The homepage: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/ The sources: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/mkvtoolnix-0.9.4.tar.bz2 Windows binaries: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-0.9.4.rar The RedHat and SuSE binaries are still being built and should be available from the homepage shortly. Package maintainers: Please note that this release requires libebml and libmatroska v0.7.1 which we've just released as well. Get them from http://dl.matroska.org/downloads/libebml/ and http://dl.matroska.org/downloads/libmatroska/ Finally the ChangeLog since 0.9.3: ------------------------------------------------ 2004-07-25 Moritz Bunkus * Released v0.9.4. 2004-07-24 Moritz Bunkus * mkvextract: new feature: Added support for extracting TTA tracks to TTA files. * mkvmerge: bug fix: SRT file recognition failed if the file contained spaces at the end of the first line. 2004-07-21 Moritz Bunkus * mkvextract: new feature: Implemented the extraction of chapter information and tags as a CUE sheet which is the reverse operation to using a CUE sheet with mkvmerge's '--chapters' parameter. 2004-07-20 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: Broken VobSub .idx files which contain timestamps going backwards no longer crash mkvmerge. A warning will be printed for such inconsistencies. 2004-07-19 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: The Matroska reader contained a nice little illegal memory access (introduced in 0.9.3 with the fixes to the 'default track' handling). * mkvmerge: bug fix: The SSA reader was segfaulting if a line contained an empty text field. * mmg: new feature: Added support for the two flags 'hidden' and 'enabled' in the chapter editor. * mkvmerge: new feature: The pregap from a CUE sheet is converted into two sub-chapters (one for "INDEX 00", one for "INDEX 01"). These sub-chapters have their 'hidden' flag set. * mkvinfo: bug fix: Fixed compilation for MATROSKA_VERSION = 2. * mkvinfo: bug fix: Fixed compilation with gcc 3.2. 2004-07-18 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: The CUE sheet parser interpreted a timestamp as HH:MM:SS (hours, minutes, seconds). The correct spec is HH:MM:FF (hours, minutes, frames with 1 frame = 1/75 second). ------------------------------------------------ Have fun. Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Jul 28 09:42:04 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2004 09:42:04 +0200 Subject: [Matroska-general] Interresting license case Message-ID: <410758CC.5070204@free.fr> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=24376 The LGPL is not opened enough for systems where there is a DRM. So many opened technologies won't get in many devices because of that. -- robUx4 on blog