From dio.bacco80 at libero.it Sun Dec 5 04:05:25 2004 From: dio.bacco80 at libero.it (dio.bacco80 at libero.it) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 04:05:25 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] help Message-ID: Hi!! I've installed matroska pack but I can't see a video with .mkv extension. I've also real alternative codec installed and this works good with .rm files: what I must do?? Many tanx ____________________________________________________________ Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi a 1.2 Mega, senza costi di attivazione. Abbonati subito su http://www.libero.it From paul at msn.com Sun Dec 5 16:54:02 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2004 09:54:02 -0600 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: help References: Message-ID: wrote... > I've installed matroska pack but I can't see a video with .mkv extension. > I've also real alternative codec installed and this works good with .rm > files: > what I must do?? Try each of the solutions listed here: http://packs.matroska.org/issues/ Atamido From steve.lhomme at free.fr Mon Dec 6 09:58:33 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 09:58:33 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Digital audio shopping Message-ID: <41B41F39.2010203@free.fr> ...now with booklets... in PDF ! And not "joined" to the album of course. I think we can do much better than Apple with Matroska... http://www.macbidouille.com/niouzcontenu.php?date=2004-12-06#10062 (in french) -- robUx4 on blog From chris at matroska.org Mon Dec 6 16:45:11 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:45:11 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Updating Lazyman's Guide Message-ID: <41B47E87.8030804@matroska.org> Hi Liisachan, when reading through the German pages of Lazyman's Guide, i found that the version numbers of mkvtoolnix was reported at 0.4.x, and it recommended to use OGM instead because matroska is still unstable. Is there a chance to either update this, or to close the links to those language versions that are not up-to-date ? If you feel you will update it only if matroska goes 1.0 stable, well ........ maybe we could define it as such now :) ? Anyhow, good point. @All : what is the latest decision about matroska specs going 1.0 ? Do we wait for menues before that ? Christian matroska project admin From steve.lhomme at free.fr Mon Dec 6 16:46:04 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2004 16:46:04 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Updating Lazyman's Guide In-Reply-To: <41B47E87.8030804@matroska.org> References: <41B47E87.8030804@matroska.org> Message-ID: <41B47EBC.8050000@free.fr> Christian HJ Wiesner a ?crit : > > Hi Liisachan, > > when reading through the German pages of Lazyman's Guide, i found that > the version numbers of mkvtoolnix was reported at 0.4.x, and it > recommended to use OGM instead because matroska is still unstable. Is > there a chance to either update this, or to close the links to those > language versions that are not up-to-date ? > > If you feel you will update it only if matroska goes 1.0 stable, well > ........ maybe we could define it as such now :) ? Anyhow, good point. > @All : what is the latest decision about matroska specs going 1.0 ? Do > we wait for menues before that ? Yes and Wavpack. After that I don't think the format will need major additions for a while. Only codecs here and there, that are not part of the specs. From kevin at doorcare.co.uk Mon Dec 6 21:56:16 2004 From: kevin at doorcare.co.uk (Kevin) Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 20:56:16 -0000 Subject: [Matroska-general] Codecs Message-ID: <20041206220335.C42A4440004@p15097576.pureserver.info> I would just like to thank you for producing such an excellent codec package. Keep up the good work and let's hope the scene sits up and takes notice. Cheers Kev -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steve.lhomme at free.fr Tue Dec 7 15:17:00 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 15:17:00 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] IBM to push Power PCs ? Message-ID: <41B5BB5C.8020309@free.fr> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/12/07/ibm_pc_sell_off_power/ "For instance one of our licensees has added Chinese language processing at the chip level," said Beck. How about Matroska at the chip level ? :D BTW, if Linux is to be pushed, it better have support for all multimedia needs and devices. And there is still a lot to do to match OS X or Windows. Having chinese manufacturers on their side could help... -- robUx4 on blog From steve.lhomme at free.fr Tue Dec 7 16:15:36 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Tue, 07 Dec 2004 16:15:36 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Screenless video player Message-ID: <41B5C918.5020906@free.fr> http://www.infosyncworld.com/news/n/5610.html Could it be the perfect Matroska player ? It already supports DVD menu interaction, so adding Matroska support (with all the codec they support) would be a matter of firmware update. (not so common on standalone HW players) -- robUx4 on blog From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Dec 8 12:40:18 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:40:18 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] amarok Message-ID: <41B6E822.5070209@free.fr> Here is an OSNews coverage of this promising A/V player. http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9105 -- robUx4 on blog From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Dec 8 12:51:30 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:51:30 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] amarok In-Reply-To: <41B6E822.5070209@free.fr> References: <41B6E822.5070209@free.fr> Message-ID: <41B6EAC2.5080600@free.fr> Steve Lhomme a ?crit : > Here is an OSNews coverage of this promising A/V player. > > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=9105 It uses TagLib to read tags in files. http://developer.kde.org/~wheeler/taglib.html This library is in C++ and does not depend on GLib or Qt. So adding Matroska support could be a good option (and it was ported to Win32 too). Maybe something we should look at... From paul at msn.com Wed Dec 8 15:39:58 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 08:39:58 -0600 Subject: [Matroska-general] DVI/HDCP/HDMI Message-ID: This post I guess didn't take the first time? A nice simple read on these technologies and how they differ. http://www.sigmadesigns.com/support/DVI_HDMI.htm I particularly like this comment at the end, "Including HDCP within the MPEG decoder has the advantage that unencrypted content is not available on the MPEG-DVI/HDMI interface." And then with the diagram it becomes obvious that if someone includes the encrypter in the DVI transmitter chip, you could probably just swap out the chip with one that doesn't support the encryption methods. Atamido From mike at po.cs.msu.su Wed Dec 8 16:24:14 2004 From: mike at po.cs.msu.su (Mike Matsnev) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 18:24:14 +0300 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: DVI/HDCP/HDMI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Paul Bryson wrote: > This post I guess didn't take the first time? > > A nice simple read on these technologies and how they differ. > http://www.sigmadesigns.com/support/DVI_HDMI.htm > > I particularly like this comment at the end, "Including HDCP within the MPEG > decoder has the advantage that unencrypted content is not available on the > MPEG-DVI/HDMI interface." And then with the diagram it becomes obvious that > if someone includes the encrypter in the DVI transmitter chip, you could > probably just swap out the chip with one that doesn't support the encryption > methods. This isnt really important as there are no DVI data capture devices easily available, I don't even know any. Also modern ADCs do quite a good job, e.g. in LCD monitors, so unless ALL hardware is forced to use digital HDMI connections it's essentially useless. Because an average Joe user can't grab DVI data anyway, and professional pirates don't even need to. /Mike From chris at matroska.org Wed Dec 8 19:04:59 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:04:59 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: pm copy] Message-ID: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> Ok, i'm also banned on Doom9 Here a PM from Doom9 to me why i got striked two more times, to finally get rid of me there. Maybe not nice of me to post that to a public ML, but they arent nice with us either, so i stand behind doing it. Please note the part where he is claiming i am calling him a nazi, just because i was using an old German saying about people turning into idiots when they wear a uniform. I guess he even didnt understand what i wanted to tell him with that ;-) ..... but nazi age is soooooo long time ago, i really wonder how he could manage to make this assumption ... maybe Doom9 mods have to wear uniforms today :O ?? All in all, time for me to finally leave this place, like robux4 has decided to do already. Christian -------- Original-Nachricht -------- Betreff: pm copy Datum: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:50:32 +0100 Von: Doom9 Feedback Hotline An: I'm not sure you can still read PMs, so here's a copy quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stop talking rubbish Doom9. Your mods do whatever they like to do, and you are even backing them up. In this case here, all i did was asking : ' .... isnt this reply OT here ? From my understanding, this user was explicitly asking about multiple streams in matroska container, not in MP4 ?' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Your first sentence is a rule 4 and a rule 16.. I can pick whichever I like better. I told everyone to stop this subject and you didn't. I won't even comment on the insult. It is off topic indeed, and I've asked bond to not inject mp4 where it doesn't belong. That is not unlike what you and your Matroska buddies have been asked to, but whereas there's no data yet on if the mp4 injecting will go on, the mkv injecting has been going on for a long while (though I have to admit that last time it escalated, and that's been a while back now, things have been pretty normal). But you cannot compare 1 occurrence with 50 ocurrences of a certain action pattern. quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Or can you report about a single case where one of your mods was striked for misbehaviour, or even got just a warning from your side ? ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Oh but they do have gotten stiff warnings many times. But as the coach of a football team tries to not wash dirty laundry in the public, neither will I. I doubt that in your professional life, your boss will give you a verbal butt kicking in front of clients.. he'll do that privately as well and the client is never the wiser. quote: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ In Germany we have a saying, 'hand a uniform to a normal guy, and he will turn into an idiot in not time .. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Uhoh, now you shot yourself in the foot big time. I doubt you knew what's coming next but you should be smarter than to start with nazi insinuations. As it so happens, I'm in uniform a couple of weeks a year as well. Not because I chose to, but because the law says I have to. Just like most of the regular soldiers in my unit, I take absolutely no pleasure in wearing the uniform, and we're all looking forward to the day when we'll be discharged But thanks for calling me a nazi and good riddance. P.S. I checked your strike history, and guess what.. there's plenty of times where you could've opposed a strike successfully had you approached me directly and privately as the rules say you should. But instead you chose a snappy comeback. Your last suspension was completely avoidable, as was this one. Unfortunately for you, two suspensions mean a permanent ban. I take no pleasure in doing that, in fact, except for whenever you clash with the authorities here, I like having you around but you brought this upon yourself. From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Dec 8 19:25:25 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 19:25:25 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: pm copy] In-Reply-To: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> References: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> Message-ID: <41B74715.60407@free.fr> "I don't want to embarrass stupid people in public, it's better to do it in private. This way it's said nowhere they are stupid. It will go unnoticed, and they can continue to act stupid. Until someone notices and get banned for stupid people to still have a voice." Christian HJ Wiesner a ?crit : > Ok, i'm also banned on Doom9 > > Here a PM from Doom9 to me why i got striked two more times, to finally > get rid of me there. Maybe not nice of me to post that to a public ML, > but they arent nice with us either, so i stand behind doing it. > > Please note the part where he is claiming i am calling him a nazi, just > because i was using an old German saying about people turning into > idiots when they wear a uniform. I guess he even didnt understand what i > wanted to tell him with that ;-) ..... but nazi age is soooooo long time > ago, i really wonder how he could manage to make this assumption ... > maybe Doom9 mods have to wear uniforms today :O ?? > > All in all, time for me to finally leave this place, like robux4 has > decided to do already. > > Christian > > -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Betreff: pm copy > Datum: Wed, 8 Dec 2004 18:50:32 +0100 > Von: Doom9 Feedback Hotline > An: > > > > I'm not sure you can still read PMs, so here's a copy > > > > > quote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Stop talking rubbish Doom9. Your mods do whatever they like to do, > and you are even backing them up. In this case here, all i did was > asking : > > ' .... isnt this reply OT here ? From my understanding, this user > was explicitly asking about multiple streams in matroska container, > not in MP4 ?' > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Your first sentence is a rule 4 and a rule 16.. I can pick whichever I > like better. I told everyone to stop this subject and you didn't. I > won't even comment on the insult. > > It is off topic indeed, and I've asked bond to not inject mp4 where it > doesn't belong. That is not unlike what you and your Matroska buddies > have been asked to, but whereas there's no data yet on if the mp4 > injecting will go on, the mkv injecting has been going on for a long > while (though I have to admit that last time it escalated, and that's > been a while back now, things have been pretty normal). But you cannot > compare 1 occurrence with 50 ocurrences of a certain action pattern. > > quote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Or can you report about a single case where one of your mods was > striked for misbehaviour, or even got just a warning from your side ? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Oh but they do have gotten stiff warnings many times. But as the coach > of a football team tries to not wash dirty laundry in the public, > neither will I. I doubt that in your professional life, your boss will > give you a verbal butt kicking in front of clients.. he'll do that > privately as well and the client is never the wiser. > > quote: > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > In Germany we have a saying, 'hand a uniform to a normal guy, and he > will turn into an idiot in not time .. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Uhoh, now you shot yourself in the foot big time. I doubt you knew > what's coming next but you should be smarter than to start with nazi > insinuations. As it so happens, I'm in uniform a couple of weeks a year > as well. Not because I chose to, but because the law says I have to. > Just like most of the regular soldiers in my unit, I take absolutely no > pleasure in wearing the uniform, and we're all looking forward to the > day when we'll be discharged > But thanks for calling me a nazi and good riddance. > > P.S. I checked your strike history, and guess what.. there's plenty of > times where you could've opposed a strike successfully had you > approached me directly and privately as the rules say you should. But > instead you chose a snappy comeback. Your last suspension was completely > avoidable, as was this one. Unfortunately for you, two suspensions mean > a permanent ban. I take no pleasure in doing that, in fact, except for > whenever you clash with the authorities here, I like having you around > but you brought this upon yourself. > _______________________________________________ > Matroska-general mailing list > Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org > http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general -- robUx4 on blog From paul at msn.com Wed Dec 8 19:27:52 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Atamido) Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2004 12:27:52 -0600 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: DVI/HDCP/HDMI In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Mike Matsnev wrote: > Paul Bryson wrote: > >> This post I guess didn't take the first time? >> >> A nice simple read on these technologies and how they differ. >> http://www.sigmadesigns.com/support/DVI_HDMI.htm >> >> I particularly like this comment at the end, "Including HDCP within >> the MPEG >> decoder has the advantage that unencrypted content is not available on >> the >> MPEG-DVI/HDMI interface." And then with the diagram it becomes >> obvious that >> if someone includes the encrypter in the DVI transmitter chip, you could >> probably just swap out the chip with one that doesn't support the >> encryption >> methods. > > This isnt really important as there are no DVI data capture devices easily > available, I don't even know any. Also modern ADCs do quite a good job, > e.g. I don't know of any either, and the bandwidth it much to large to capture uncompressed from DVI to be practical anyway. But if there were a DVI-to-Analog converter, that would make it much more practical. > in LCD monitors, so unless ALL hardware is forced to use digital HDMI > connections it's essentially useless. Because an average Joe user can't > grab DVI data anyway, and professional pirates don't even need to. Unfortunately devices are being produced that ONLY accept encrypted connections. So if a video card is producing an unencrypted DVI signal, you can't connect it to your new $15,000 widescreen TV. So if there were a way to replace a chip on such a device, I'm sure it would make some people quite happy. Atamido From moritz at bunkus.org Thu Dec 9 09:00:04 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 09:00:04 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: pm copy] In-Reply-To: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> References: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> Message-ID: <20041209080004.GB13053@bunkus.org> Hey, > Here a PM from Doom9 to me why i got striked two more times, to finally > get rid of me there. Maybe not nice of me to post that to a public ML, > but they arent nice with us either, so i stand behind doing it. Again we disagree about this whole issue. We've had our discussion before when both you and Steve had some flame war on d9, and I haven't changed my mind since. You're hurting us. I strongly disagree with how you handle Koepi. And I even dislike how you treat bond. Ok, he has posted about MP4 in a Matroska thread. So PM him and ask him to stop. Or PM another mod. Or doom9 personally. But no, you go off turning yet another thread into a full-blown war. Great. How does that make us look? If such actions (saying "don't post about x in a y thread!" and still posting about x in a y thread) make a moderator look foolish/bad then your actions make us look like a bunch of immature children. I know that Steve will argue that you have to fight oppression. You do. But only where it counts/matters. And it doesn't on doom9. Doom9's forums are a very, very good and important place for us to tell users about what Matroska can do, about where it is heading, about new features etc. If not for doom9 Matroska would probably be not NEARLY as successful as it is today. Publicy insulting people does not make us right either. Geez, I am seriously disappointed. Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From steve.lhomme at free.fr Thu Dec 9 09:51:43 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 09:51:43 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: pm copy] In-Reply-To: <20041209080004.GB13053@bunkus.org> References: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> <20041209080004.GB13053@bunkus.org> Message-ID: <41B8121F.3040101@free.fr> > I strongly disagree with how you handle Koepi. And I even dislike how > you treat bond. Ok, he has posted about MP4 in a Matroska thread. So PM > him and ask him to stop. Or PM another mod. Or doom9 personally. But no, IMO, PM is a big part of the problem here. If you tell one thing to a person all the other persons don't know (or at best the information is transmitted and transformed). That's why IMO problems should always been discussed in public... It's no surprise then that bond who came on IRC to fix things realise all of a sudden all we've been talking for months. Why ? Because it's not possible to say it in places where it's supposed to happen. That's where the bug is, and that bug will not be fixed. I'll use another software (open source vs closed source). > you go off turning yet another thread into a full-blown war. Great. How > does that make us look? If such actions (saying "don't post about x in a > y thread!" and still posting about x in a y thread) make a moderator > look foolish/bad then your actions make us look like a bunch of immature > children. I only voiced when alexnoe got banned. It was still too early ? Or should when bend down and get beaten without saying anything ? (AFAIK you can't PM anymore when you are banned) > I know that Steve will argue that you have to fight oppression. You > do. But only where it counts/matters. And it doesn't on doom9. Doom9's > forums are a very, very good and important place for us to tell users > about what Matroska can do, about where it is heading, about new No, it's not allowed to talk about coming features. You know that. And that is so obvious that when Chris talks about a coming feature (that very precise thread) a mod think he's allowed to jump over the rules. > features etc. If not for doom9 Matroska would probably be not NEARLY as > successful as it is today. Things move on. AFAIK you and Haali are the biggest dev of Matroska for the moment. And we didn't meet you through Doom9... Matroska is already well-known and I don't think we need to push it a lot as we did before to hope to get heard. > Publicy insulting people does not make us right either. Insults ? Where ? > Geez, I am seriously disappointed. I am disappointed by how unfair Doom9 and his pals are. They won't even recognize their errors in public (that must be one of their rules). Instead they remove every trace of their shit hoping everyone will forget. I'm glad we stand up when we see such stupid things happen. From chris at matroska.org Thu Dec 9 16:00:56 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 16:00:56 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: pm copy] In-Reply-To: <41B8121F.3040101@free.fr> References: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> <20041209080004.GB13053@bunkus.org> <41B8121F.3040101@free.fr> Message-ID: <41B868A8.1060005@matroska.org> Hi Mosu, hi Steve, hi all, Steve Lhomme schrieb: > | Geez, I am seriously disappointed. > > I am disappointed by how unfair Doom9 and his pals are. They won't > even recognize their errors in public (that must be one of their > rules). Instead they remove every trace of their shit hoping everyone > will forget. I'm glad we stand up when we see such stupid things happen. thanks for standing behind me on this, Steve. I understand Mosu's opinion quite well, he thinks that we shouldnt waste our time in trying to improve Doom9, but should act wisely and do the best for matroska, no matter what the personal consequences for each of us are. Thats a very professional attitude, and Mosu deserves our highest respect for that. He is backing up matroska to 100%, and i guess nobody here could ever doubt that. On the other hand, we are still human beings, and speaking for my person, please bare in mind that as a sales man i have to eat a lot of dirt on almost a daily basis. As you might know, i am selling machinery worth several 100,000 ?. Now you certainly do know how people behave sometimes if they are buying something of value today, now consider somebody with the power to spend a few 100,000 bucks and a dozen companies fighting for the order creeping into his ass. As a salesman, you really have to disrespect your ideas about human dignity and education, and much more often then you and your feelings can stand it. What i am doing for the matroska project, and thats probably the key here, is a part of my private life. And to say it in simple terms, i cant eat even more dirt than i have to do anyhow in my professional life. I dont claim everything i said and did on Doom9 is really something to be proud of, but at least i can for 100% certain say that i never insulted anybody without him ( or his 'buddies' ) attacking me first. But again, as much as i do love the matroska project, i am not prepared to eat any kind of shit for it, and from every dumbass calling himself mod or god know what, or better : i am not preared to do this anymore ( i guess we all did in the beginning to get it started, but thats history ). The post that started this all, and i obviously cant repeat this often enough, was a simple question to bond , i.e. if he doesnt think that his reply is OT here. If this is 'insulting' or worth a strike, i am living in the wrong world maybe. Sure, there was a certain purpose behind it, and this purpose was clear to anybody knowing the history we had on Doom9. In the end, i am all with Steve in his feelings about us being on Doom9 : We are somebody in the video community !! Lets act like it !! We dont need to hide ! Doom9 and his mods believe we need them and their place to make matroska grow, and this is plain and simple bullshit ! Instead of welcoming and hosting us there, they even strike us for valid questions we are asking them if we feel we were deal injust. I should do this via PM ? Jesus, what for ? To waste my time ? What would it change ? Mosu, even if you believe that this incident hurt our project, please try to see the chance behind it. If matroska will finally develop as i am convinced it will, pretty soon Doom9 himself will personally ask us to return there, in order not to further undermine the competence of his board. This guy has a very clear sense for power, and he is clever ( although i have to admit his PM to me wasn't ... i still have no idea where he read i am calling him a nazi :O ? ). Its like with any fight. If you avoid it, your situation will stay as it is, and nothing will change. Personally speaking, i was simply not prepared anymore to accept the situation as it was. It was unacceptable that bond can post about any kind of pre-alpha MP4 shit, while we have to defend ourselves from being called 'vapourware project' all the time. Koepi hasnt shown up in recent times and he is really not present as a mod in this sector anymore ( though he still has the power ), but guess what would have happened if i had dared to inform a user asking about multiple video streams in OGM that this is well possible with MKV ! If you decide to fight, and stand through it like a man, you can win or you can loose. Right now it looks like we lost ...... but lets see what the future will bring for us. After all, its mainly the value of matroska for the users that will be the main decision factor here, and not the forums we are posting on. Best regards Christian From paul at msn.com Thu Dec 9 17:43:44 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2004 10:43:44 -0600 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Fwd: pm copy] References: <41B7424B.2080604@matroska.org> <20041209080004.GB13053@bunkus.org> Message-ID: "Moritz Bunkus" wrote... > I know that Steve will argue that you have to fight oppression. You > do. But only where it counts/matters. And it doesn't on doom9. Doom9's > forums are a very, very good and important place for us to tell users > about what Matroska can do, about where it is heading, about new > features etc. If not for doom9 Matroska would probably be not NEARLY as > successful as it is today. > > Publicy insulting people does not make us right either. I think I saw a Star Trek episode about this. Some people kept attacking another group of people, who would then retaliate an attack back even bigger. It was a vicious cycle that escalated until the civilization eventually destroyed itself. Alex could probably tell you more. Anyway, I have to agree with Mosu here. You have to pick your fights. If you fight everyone, you will soon be left with no friends. Live long and prosper, and such. Atamido From steve.lhomme at free.fr Fri Dec 10 15:27:59 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2004 15:27:59 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Subtitles TODO Message-ID: <41B9B26F.9060802@free.fr> Hi, As we are progressing with menu and other things, we are facing several problems with subs. Especially due to bugs or missing features in vsfilter. So my idea is to collect a list of things to do in vsfilter to move on. Here is what I can think of. Feel free to add yours to the list. We will try to contact Gabest and motivate him to fix it, as it's the main component that he has done and on which many other people depend. - W98 issues: W98 users are experiencing occasional crashes when using MKV with SRT. Version 2.23 seems to work and version 2.24 doesn't. - "button" subs: can vsfilter display buttons as on a DVD ? There might be resizing issues here... Also I'm not sure how buttons work on DVD, ie wether it depends on a timecode, or if only an area speficied in the PCI packet should be displayed, or it's just a matter or changing colours. - Multiple subtitles: Is it possible to use 2 instances of vsfilter at once above the same video ? ie, to use subs and buttons at the same time. - Forced subs: we have introduced forced subs (not like default sub) in Matroska. Maybe there should be a way to have a forced flag/option in vsfilter too ? - USF support: is there any plan to update & improve USF support in vsfilter ? OT: Did anyone test Haali's splitter on W98 ? Is it supposed to work there too ? -- robUx4 on blog From steve.lhomme at free.fr Tue Dec 14 10:31:30 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 10:31:30 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Windows Media on OSX Message-ID: <41BEB2F2.2030806@free.fr> http://www.flip4mac.com/ It's now possible to encode WMV on a Mac using Quicktime. And soon it will be possible to read it too. -- robUx4 on blog From steve.lhomme at free.fr Tue Dec 14 13:47:55 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 13:47:55 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Links Message-ID: <41BEE0FB.9060103@free.fr> * x264, an H.264 encoder made by some VLC guys (dunno if it's the same as in FFDShow) : http://www.videolan.org/x264.html * Handbrake: an OSS multi-platform (OSX/BeOS) DVD ripping program that outputs MP4, AVI and OGM ! (spot the pb) http://handbrake.m0k.org/ -- robUx4 on blog From moritz at bunkus.org Tue Dec 14 15:54:41 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 15:54:41 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out Message-ID: <20041214145441.GF13053@bunkus.org> Hey, maybe you've noticed it already: I've released v1.0.1 yesterday evening. It's really only a bug fix release with a couple of minor annoyances (nothing major). The usual links: ...to the homepage: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/ ...the source code: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/mkvtoolnix-1.0.1.tar.bz2 ...the Windows binaries: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-1.0.1.rar Binaries for SuSE and Fedora Core are available from the homepage. Here's the ChangeLog since 1.0: --------------------------------------------- 2004-12-13 Moritz Bunkus * Released v1.0.1. 2004-12-11 Moritz Bunkus * mmg: Fixed some layout issues with wxWidgets 2.5.3 and newer. 2004-12-10 Moritz Bunkus * mmg: new feature: The window position is saved and restored when mmg is started the next time. 2004-12-09 Moritz Bunkus * mmg: bug fix: Fixed a crash/memory corruption showing weird characters in the input boxes. This happened when the user removed a file from mmg while mmg was updating the command line. * mmg: bug fix: mmg now has an icon associated with it while it is running instead of the generic Windows application icon (Windows only). * mmg: bug fix: The main window is now minimized during muxing. This allows to hide both of the windows while muxing is running and restoring them later, even if they were iconized when muxing finished (Windows only). 2004-11-26 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: The first packet of an AAC track read from Real containers might not start at the timecode 0. This offset was ignored by mkvmerge. 2004-11-22 Moritz Bunkus * mmg: bug fix: Made the muxing dialog ("mkvmerge is running") modal all the time. This prevents the user from hitting the main window's minimize button. On Windows this makes mmg stuck in iconized mode if it was iconized when muxing finished. 2004-11-20 Moritz Bunkus * mkvmerge: bug fix: Fixed a buffer overflow in the UTF-8 file reading routines. ------------------------------------ Have fun :) -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From chris at matroska.org Wed Dec 15 21:31:08 2004 From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner) Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 21:31:08 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: about Matroska Pack Full In-Reply-To: <4BA6B3452B7A44419A0A168102576E65019054E4@SB-VEX2.intra.softbank.co.jp> References: <4BA6B3452B7A44419A0A168102576E65019054E4@SB-VEX2.intra.softbank.co.jp> Message-ID: <41C09F0C.6080609@matroska.org> Hi, please see my answers below : mosugimo at softbank.co.jp schrieb: >Dear WebMaster, > > My name is Motoo Sugimoto, an editor of a magazine PCJapan (Softbank Publishing). We are now >preparing for PCJapan February edition, featuring multimedia software. > > I have seen your Matroska Pack Full made by you, which we would like to introduce in our magazine >and contain in the supplemental CD-ROM. > We would like to have your permission. Would you kindly respond to the following questions and >mail me back, possibly by December 17. > > Please send back to mosugimo at softbank.co.jp > Thank you very much. > > Motoo Sugimoto > Softbank Publishing Inc. >---------------------------------------- >1. Is it possible to introduce your Matroska Pack Full in the magazine? >(Yes/No) > > Yes >2. Is it possible to contain your Matroska Pack Full in the CD-ROM? >(Yes/No) > > Yes >3. Is it possible to introduce your Matroska Pack Full in our homepage? >(Yes/No) > > Yes >4. Is it possible to make a link to your Matroska Pack Full in our homepage and in the HTML menu >of the CD-ROM? (Yes/No) > > Yes >---------------------------------------- >1. What is the official name and the latest version of Matroska Pack Full? > (we would like to contain the latest version) > > matroska full playback pack 1.0.3 >2. Name of the archive file > > Matroska_Pack_Full.exe >3. Name of the copyright holder by January 13,2004 > > There is no copyright, as the matroska project is belonging into the public domaine. However, please understand that matroska pack is merely an NSIS installer for well tested DirectShow playback filters, and please also note that most of the software released by matroska team is following the GPL or L-GPL license, and this license dictates that if you are releasing the binaries you also have to include the sorucecode of it, or at least give a link to the sources of all the software provided by matroska pack. These links are ffdshow : http://sf.net/projects/ffdshow CoreVorbis : http://corecodec.org/projects/corevorbis CoreAAC : http://corecodec.org/projects/coreaac CoreFLAC : http://corecodec.org/projects/coreflac CoreTTA : http://corecodec.org/projects/tta matroskaparser, matroskamuxer, vsfilter, realsplitter : http://sf.net/projects/guliverkli matrix mixer : http://sourceforge.net/projects/matrix-mixer/ Morgan Stream switcher : http://corecodec.org/projects/mmswitch matroskaprop : https://svn.matroska.org/viewsvn/trunk/MatroskaUtils/ >4. Is it a free software or a shareware? > > The pack contains only free software, most of it released under the GPL or L-GPL license. >5. What is the compatible OS? > > Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP >6. Necessary plugins (e.g., Visual Basic plugin), if any. > > no >7. Location of the latest Matroska Pack Full > > http://packs.matroska.org/1.0.3/Matroska_Pack_Full.exe >(URL: , FTP: , or else: ) >-------------------------------------- > We might need to contact you in emergency, could you also tell us your e-mail address or phone >number that we could reach you. >-------------------------------------- > > > chris at matroska.org > >Softbank Publishing Inc. >PC Japan >Motoo Sugimoto >Editor >Media Service Dept.1 >4-13-13, Akasaka, Minato-ku, Tokyo 107-0052 >TEL. +81-3-5549-1184 Fax. +81-3-5549-1185 >E-mail: mosugimo at softbank.co.jp >http://pcj.sbpnet.jp/ > > You're welcome ChristianHJW matroska project admin http://www.matroska.org From Liisachan at faireal.net Fri Dec 17 09:46:47 2004 From: Liisachan at faireal.net (Liisachan) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 17:46:47 +0900 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-users] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out In-Reply-To: <20041214145441.GF13053@bunkus.org> References: <20041214145441.GF13053@bunkus.org> Message-ID: <20041217174647I09Ya5@faireal.net> hi, About this new feature: Moritz Bunkus wrote: > * mmg: bug fix: The main window is now minimized during > muxing. This allows to hide both of the windows while muxing is > running and restoring them later, even if they were iconized when > muxing finished (Windows only). On Windows: When you hit the [Start muxing], the progress window will pop up, but it won't be the topmost window, and will be hidden bihind other windows. Is this a spec? This is confusing becuase everything is abruptly hidden when you start muxing, making it look like as though MMG just crashed. Liisachan _ps_ hmmm, so you don't want to discuss things in doom9 anymore? From moritz at bunkus.org Fri Dec 17 09:57:49 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 09:57:49 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-users] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out In-Reply-To: <20041217174647I09Ya5@faireal.net> References: <20041214145441.GF13053@bunkus.org> <20041217174647I09Ya5@faireal.net> Message-ID: <20041217085748.GV13053@bunkus.org> Hey, > On Windows: > When you hit the [Start muxing], the progress window will pop up, > but it won't be the topmost window, and will be hidden bihind > other windows. Is this a spec? No, this is Windows. I've noticed it myself, but all my efforts to let it stay on top are in vain. So I really, really, REALLY don't know how to make it behave properly... The options are: 1. The main window stays visiable during muxing and cannot be hidden/minimized, 2. The muxing dialog is made non-modal. Then the main window can be minimized, but it can also be changed, and that will definitely result in crashes. Also if the main window is minimized as soon as the muxing is finished then the muxing dialog is made modal and the main window cannot be restored anymore (only from the task manager), 3. The way it is now. I have not been able to get 4. to work. > This is confusing becuase everything is abruptly hidden > when you start muxing, making it look like as though MMG just > crashed. I know. I just don't have a solution. > _ps_ > hmmm, so you don't want to discuss things in doom9 anymore? Huh? I don't? Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From Liisachan at faireal.net Fri Dec 17 15:05:24 2004 From: Liisachan at faireal.net (Liisachan) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 23:05:24 +0900 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-users] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out In-Reply-To: <20041217085748.GV13053@bunkus.org> References: <20041217174647I09Ya5@faireal.net> <20041217085748.GV13053@bunkus.org> Message-ID: <20041217230524?8XsBQ@faireal.net> Moritz Bunkus wrote: > Hey, > > > On Windows: > > When you hit the [Start muxing], the progress window will pop up, > > but it won't be the topmost window, and will be hidden bihind > > other windows. Is this a spec? > > No, this is Windows. I've noticed it myself, but all my efforts to let > it stay on top are in vain. So I really, really, REALLY don't know how > to make it behave properly... The options are: Ok: basically, being able to minimize while muxing is not that important as sticking to the 'normal' Win UI. I guess more than half users would want to see the progress window rather than to minimize/hide it anyway. I know MKVToolnix is not originally for Win32, but still the Windows verson should stick to the standard Windows app designs as long as possible. > > 1. The main window stays visiable during muxing and cannot be > hidden/minimized, Maybe you might want to add a "Minimize while muxing" checkbox for a few users who prefer 1.0.1 style to 1.0.0's > 2. The muxing dialog is made non-modal. Then the main window can be > minimized, but it can also be changed, and that will definitely > result in crashes. If this were just an Win app, then you could just disable all the editboxes, buttons etc while muxing by calling EnableWindow() > Also if the main window is minimized as soon as > the muxing is finished then the muxing dialog is made modal and the > main window cannot be restored anymore (only from the task manager), How so? In Win32 API, if the dialogbox is created as modeless, usually it will remain modeless to the end, even if there is only one thread. Besides, a minimized window can be always restored by Explorer. ??? Liisachan From moritz at bunkus.org Fri Dec 17 15:19:19 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:19:19 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-users] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out In-Reply-To: <20041217230524?8XsBQ@faireal.net> References: <20041217174647I09Ya5@faireal.net> <20041217085748.GV13053@bunkus.org> <20041217230524?8XsBQ@faireal.net> Message-ID: <20041217141919.GY13053@bunkus.org> Hey, > I know MKVToolnix is not originally for Win32, > but still the Windows verson should stick to the standard > Windows app designs as long as possible. I'm not saying I want it to behave this way -- I'm saying that I haven't been able to fix it yet. > Maybe you might want to add a "Minimize while muxing" checkbox > for a few users who prefer 1.0.1 style to 1.0.0's No, I want it to behave correctly :/ > If this were just an Win app, then you could just disable > all the editboxes, buttons etc while muxing by calling > EnableWindow() Doesn't help (I've tried that) because this also disables its minimize box... (I can try again, maybe I've done something wrong) > How so? In Win32 API, if the dialogbox is created as modeless, > usually it will remain modeless to the end, even if there is > only one thread. The dialog is created, it does all kinds of stuff inside its constructor and the makes itself modal with "ShowModal()". That's probably not how such a dialog is supposed to be implemented, though. > Besides, a minimized window can be always restored by Explorer. > ??? Nope. I don't know why but right-clicking on the task bar entry didn't even show the context menu in that case. Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From Liisachan at faireal.net Sat Dec 18 01:33:49 2004 From: Liisachan at faireal.net (Liisachan) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 09:33:49 +0900 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-users] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out In-Reply-To: <20041217141919.GY13053@bunkus.org> References: <20041217230524?8XsBQ@faireal.net> <20041217141919.GY13053@bunkus.org> Message-ID: <20041218093349dx_paR@faireal.net> Hi, Moritz Bunkus wrote: > > If this were just an Win app, then you could just disable > > all the editboxes, buttons etc while muxing by calling > > EnableWindow() > > Doesn't help (I've tried that) because this also disables its minimize > box... (I can try again, maybe I've done something wrong) You disabled the whole window (hWnd), right? What I meant was, disabling each editboxes etc... A checkbox, a editbox, a slidebar etc etc are all 'window's // in main EnableWindow( hEdit1, FALSE ); EnableWindow( hEdit2, FALSE ); ... EnableWindow( hBtn1, FALSE ); EnableWindow( hBtn2, FALSE ); ... EnableMenuItem( GetMenu( hWnd ), ID_MUX, MF_BYCOMMAND | MF_GRAYED ); ... // in dlg EnableWindow( GetDlgItem( hDlg, iCtrlId ), FALSE ); ... Or something like this should work too: // Don't mess with me while I'm muxing while( flag_now_muxing ) { return DefWindowProc(hWnd, message, wParam, lParam); } > The dialog is created, it does all kinds of stuff inside its constructor > and the makes itself modal with "ShowModal()". That's probably not how > such a dialog is supposed to be implemented, though. Maybe you had to do that so that the code would be cross-platform. If it were an ordinary Win app, DialogBox() would make a modal dialog which would be destroyed by EndDialog(), while CreateDialog() would create a modeless dialog, which would be destroyed by DestroyWindow(). > > Besides, a minimized window can be always restored by Explorer. > > ??? > > Nope. I don't know why but right-clicking on the task bar entry didn't > even show the context menu in that case. Widnows is weird...altho there should be some good reasons. Maybe you should make it modeless and use if(IsDialogMessage()) in the msg loop so that the both the main and the dlg can get its own messages. Liisachan From moritz at bunkus.org Sat Dec 18 17:33:56 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 17:33:56 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-users] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out In-Reply-To: <20041218093349dx_paR@faireal.net> References: <20041217230524?8XsBQ@faireal.net> <20041217141919.GY13053@bunkus.org> <20041218093349dx_paR@faireal.net> Message-ID: <20041218163356.GZ13053@bunkus.org> Hey, I've done some more hacking around (less modal dialogs, more hiding of windows), and it _seems_ to be better than before. Could you please test http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre//mkvtoolnix-1.0.1-build20041218-1.rar if you have a little spare time? Thanks. Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds From Liisachan at faireal.net Sat Dec 18 19:47:33 2004 From: Liisachan at faireal.net (Liisachan) Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2004 03:47:33 +0900 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [Matroska-users] mkvtoolnix 1.0.1 is out In-Reply-To: <20041218163356.GZ13053@bunkus.org> References: <20041218093349dx_paR@faireal.net> <20041218163356.GZ13053@bunkus.org> Message-ID: <20041219034733D#U#u3@faireal.net> yup, i think this is much better (or, this is just normal) and you can minimize the boxes while muxing too :) altho this is not modeless (you cannot minimize the main window keeping the progress dlg--but who'd want that?), you can minimize them all anyway. Liisachan Moritz Bunkus wrote: > Hey, > > I've done some more hacking around (less modal dialogs, more hiding of > windows), and it _seems_ to be better than before. Could you please test > http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/pre//mkvtoolnix-1.0.1-build20041218-1.rar > if you have a little spare time? > > Thanks. > > Mosu > > -- > If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage > unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial > nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment > to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds > _______________________________________________ > Matroska-general mailing list > Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org > http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general From steve.lhomme at free.fr Tue Dec 21 15:20:53 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2004 15:20:53 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Semantic HiFi Message-ID: <41C83145.1090505@free.fr> http://dbs.cordis.lu/cordis-cgi/srchidadb?ACTION=D&SESSION=241462004-2-19&DOC=7&TBL=EN_PROJ&RCN=EP_RCN:71137&CALLER=EI_FR_PROJ Maybe we should contact them and let them know about Matroska tagging capabilities ? The downside is that companies like Sony or Fraunhofer are involved too... -- robUx4 on blog From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Dec 29 17:20:49 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 17:20:49 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED In-Reply-To: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> Message-ID: <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> Doom9's Forum Mailer a ?crit : > You are now suspended for 30 days because you have violated too many rules! > > There are things you just do not do when you're one strike away from a permanent ban. Pissing on the bosses leg is one such thing. In real life that'll get you fired, online that'll get you banned. > > Goodbye Ah ah, I didn't know I add a boss out there. Someone I should be afraid of... Sorry but I'm not afraid of you or not being allowed of talking. You (Doom9) just proved how impossible it is on your site to have a constructive talk. Your "codec" comparison is biased but you will never face it. Instead you need to ban people that could tell you in 10 pages why and how you can do better. It also shows how you know nothing about recent Matroska development of the last 6/12 months. But there's a good explanation for that. We aren't allowed to talk about it. "I admit, using it for a comparison would be a major PR boost for you." So you think we are doing all that work just to get PR ? And you think you have that power to boost Matroska just by mentioning it in a page ? Do we have to give you special releases of our tools to please your ego, too ? Your codec comparison is just a lazy one, made for n00bs who don't want to try hard to make a nice rip. That includes you. PS: if you reply, make it public, we won't prevent you from replying (as you do). -- robUx4 on blog From paul at msn.com Wed Dec 29 19:58:57 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 12:58:57 -0600 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> Message-ID: "Steve Lhomme" wrote... > Your codec comparison is just a lazy one, made for n00bs who don't want to > try hard to make a nice rip. That includes you. There is no reason to make personal attacks like this. I noticed some flaws right away when looking at the shootout, but you can just point those out and move on. Several of the posts are belligerent, and attacking someone on their own website for something that they just spent a lot of time doing that is still a very useful piece of work (flawed as it is) is uncalled for. I think I need some chocolate. Atamido From steve.lhomme at free.fr Wed Dec 29 20:17:40 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:17:40 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED In-Reply-To: References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> Message-ID: <41D302D4.4060206@free.fr> Paul Bryson a ?crit : > "Steve Lhomme" wrote... > >>Your codec comparison is just a lazy one, made for n00bs who don't want to >>try hard to make a nice rip. That includes you. > > > There is no reason to make personal attacks like this. I noticed some flaws I don't respect authority. Especially this kind of "bossy" behaviour. And you know I never acted this way in 2 years of Matroska. That's good for stupid soldiers, which we aren't. Now getting bad for making the boss look stupid is actually something I'm proud of, knowing that. To get respect you have to deserve it. > right away when looking at the shootout, but you can just point those out > and move on. Several of the posts are belligerent, and attacking someone on > their own website for something that they just spent a lot of time doing Hum... Let me transpose that to what we are doing : We don't accept bug reports from anyone, comments on the format, the features, the possible improvements. And especially from people who know what they are talking about. Instead we make our best not to talk to these people. We don't accept any feedback unless it's good for our ego. Do you think that's the way things should be done ? At least we don't do that. > that is still a very useful piece of work (flawed as it is) is uncalled for. That noone can talk about in objective manners. (unless you're absolutely not assiociated with any exsting project, that is you don't know what you're talking about) From alexander.noe at s2001.tu-chemnitz.de Wed Dec 29 20:17:58 2004 From: alexander.noe at s2001.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Noe') Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 20:17:58 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED In-Reply-To: References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> Message-ID: <41D302E6.5080002@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> Paul Bryson wrote: >"Steve Lhomme" wrote... > > >>Your codec comparison is just a lazy one, made for n00bs who don't want to >>try hard to make a nice rip. That includes you. >> >> > >There is no reason to make personal attacks like this. I noticed some flaws >right away when looking at the shootout, but you can just point those out >and move on. Several of the posts are belligerent, and attacking someone on >their own website for something that they just spent a lot of time doing >that is still a very useful piece of work (flawed as it is) is uncalled for. > > Yeah, like PC-Welt and Chip spend even more time on writing a load of crap worse than all posts of Koepi together. The amount of time spent on something is no indication of its quality. As you can see in his replies, he's even more stupid than i had ever thought (and I thought him to be pretty stupid for defending Koepi all the time). He even thought seriously that I tried to establish a 2nd account on a forum where several moderators are idiots, where only moderators are allowed post their OGM/MP4 bullshit into MKV/AVI threads... He overrates himself, his forums and his so-called work. Appearently he thought the forum meant something to me... (Neo spoke about "more chances than others", which is true as I was suspended twice before being banned as "alexnoe"). Doom9 needs an anvil and a magnet beneath him.... if he can't stand critics, which seems to be the case, he should just make a rule from that. The signature I used as darth rosenberg describes him pretty well: La vitesse de la lumi?re ?tant sup?rieure ? celle du son, il est donc normal que beaucoup de gens paraissent brillants jusqu'? ce qu'ils ouvrent leur gueule (nemrod on forum.hardware.fr) Alex From jcsston at jory.info Thu Dec 30 01:16:02 2004 From: jcsston at jory.info (Jory Stone) Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2004 18:16:02 -0600 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> <41D302E6.5080002@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> Message-ID: <009301c4ee05$148c4240$6b00a8c0@jcsston> This does nothing but reinforce the image of Matroska developers being zealots. Doom9 has supported Matroska a great deal, even has guides on how to create Matroska files. It's a very large forum with many different users and opinions. If he had the attitude you wish it would be empty as no-one cares to go to a place where there is no real discussion only flames and baseless personal attacks. Jory ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alexander Noe'" To: "General talk about Matroska and other products" Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED Paul Bryson wrote: >"Steve Lhomme" wrote... > >>Your codec comparison is just a lazy one, made for n00bs who don't want to >>try hard to make a nice rip. That includes you. >> > >There is no reason to make personal attacks like this. I noticed some >flaws right away when looking at the shootout, but you can just point those >out and move on. Several of the posts are belligerent, and attacking >someone on their own website for something that they just spent a lot of >time doing that is still a very useful piece of work (flawed as it is) is >uncalled for. > Yeah, like PC-Welt and Chip spend even more time on writing a load of crap worse than all posts of Koepi together. The amount of time spent on something is no indication of its quality. As you can see in his replies, he's even more stupid than i had ever thought (and I thought him to be pretty stupid for defending Koepi all the time). He even thought seriously that I tried to establish a 2nd account on a forum where several moderators are idiots, where only moderators are allowed post their OGM/MP4 bullshit into MKV/AVI threads... He overrates himself, his forums and his so-called work. Appearently he thought the forum meant something to me... (Neo spoke about "more chances than others", which is true as I was suspended twice before being banned as "alexnoe"). Doom9 needs an anvil and a magnet beneath him.... if he can't stand critics, which seems to be the case, he should just make a rule from that. The signature I used as darth rosenberg describes him pretty well: La vitesse de la lumi?re ?tant sup?rieure ? celle du son, il est donc normal que beaucoup de gens paraissent brillants jusqu'? ce qu'ils ouvrent leur gueule (nemrod on forum.hardware.fr) Alex _______________________________________________ Matroska-general mailing list Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general From alexander.noe at s2001.tu-chemnitz.de Thu Dec 30 06:38:32 2004 From: alexander.noe at s2001.tu-chemnitz.de (Alexander Noe') Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 06:38:32 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED In-Reply-To: <009301c4ee05$148c4240$6b00a8c0@jcsston> References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> <41D302E6.5080002@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> <009301c4ee05$148c4240$6b00a8c0@jcsston> Message-ID: <41D39458.5090502@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> Jory Stone wrote: > This does nothing but reinforce the image of Matroska developers being > zealots. > > Doom9 has supported Matroska a great deal, even has guides on how to > create Matroska files. It's a very large forum with many different > users and opinions. If he had the attitude you wish it would be empty > as no-one cares to go to a place where there is no real discussion > only flames and baseless personal attacks. Go back in time 2 years and look into cdfreaks's plextor forum.... you'll see how totally wrong you are ;) Alex From steve.lhomme at free.fr Thu Dec 30 09:30:21 2004 From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 09:30:21 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: SUSPENDED In-Reply-To: <009301c4ee05$148c4240$6b00a8c0@jcsston> References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> <41D302E6.5080002@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> <009301c4ee05$148c4240$6b00a8c0@jcsston> Message-ID: <41D3BC9D.70707@free.fr> Jory Stone a ?crit : > This does nothing but reinforce the image of Matroska developers being > zealots. > > Doom9 has supported Matroska a great deal, even has guides on how to > create Matroska files. It's a very large forum with many different users > and opinions. If he had the attitude you wish it would be empty as > no-one cares to go to a place where there is no real discussion only > flames and baseless personal attacks. You can have a look at the original discussion. I just said that he compared pears and apples. There was nothing personal at all, just that I think he did a bad job (regardless of the time spent, we all make errors and agree to correct them when we are told). Then he devilishly attacks me for being who I am, not what I say. I usually don't let attacks go this way. It's more important to me than being able to talk with such people. From paul at msn.com Thu Dec 30 17:57:07 2004 From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 10:57:07 -0600 Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Re: SUSPENDED References: <20041229155221.5ED8333D55@mood.ateme.com> <41D2D961.5050600@free.fr> <41D302E6.5080002@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de><009301c4ee05$148c4240$6b00a8c0@jcsston> <41D39458.5090502@hrz.tu-chemnitz.de> Message-ID: "Alexander Noe'" wrote... > Jory Stone wrote: > >> This does nothing but reinforce the image of Matroska developers being >> zealots. >> > Go back in time 2 years and look into cdfreaks's plextor forum.... you'll > see > how totally wrong you are ;) You are all insane! Atamido From dimitrih at tlen.pl Thu Dec 30 17:31:27 2004 From: dimitrih at tlen.pl (DiM) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 17:31:27 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] mistake in mkvtoolnix guide Message-ID: <000001c4ee8d$0e3a7cd0$0100a8c0@BuRY> Hey U made a common mistake in movie title :) Exacly in: http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/doc/mkvmerge-gui.html 3.5. Global options 3.5.1. File/segment title File/segment title: This title is used for the actual movie title, e.g. 'Vanilla Skies'. The movie title is "Vanilla Sky" not Skies :> With all respect to the team, plz fix that ;P Peace From moritz at bunkus.org Thu Dec 30 18:18:59 2004 From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus) Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2004 18:18:59 +0100 Subject: [Matroska-general] mistake in mkvtoolnix guide In-Reply-To: <000001c4ee8d$0e3a7cd0$0100a8c0@BuRY> References: <000001c4ee8d$0e3a7cd0$0100a8c0@BuRY> Message-ID: <20041230171858.GH2411@bunkus.org> Hey, > The movie title is "Vanilla Sky" not Skies :> With all respect to the team, > plz fix that ;P Damn. I've used samples from that movie for testing purposes for a LONG time now, and still I get it wrong. Thanks for noticing :) Mosu -- If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds