From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Apr  1 13:14:35 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 13:14:35 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska hardware
Message-ID: <406BF99B.2090400@free.fr>

Hi everyone,

After some discussions with Christian, we have decided to make the 
announcement of a partnership we've been discussing for a few weeks.

As you know, the software is gaining more and more "market share" in the 
  AV world and the hardware is getting less important. So it is a 
logical move for all A/V machine creators to embrace this move and 
become more flexible. This is a key move for us as we are meant to be 
flexible, extensible as much as possible and it doesn't always meet the 
requirements of restricted hardware devices.

As you know, Sony are going to use Linux is some of their future A/V 
devices and especially in their DVR devices. And they have accepted to 
use Matroska as the basis of their "organic" system. That means a system 
that will grow and evolve with time with constant upgrades and new 
features/codecs.

OK, this is an april's fool. But I'm sure that this is the way things 
are going to move in the future, anyway (until lossless compression is 
the only thing needed, which I doubt will ever happen, for bandwidth 
efficiency reason)


From chris at matroska.org  Thu Apr  1 19:03:50 2004
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:03:50 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] matroska project deletion on sf.net
Message-ID: <406C4B76.6090900@matroska.org>

Just informing you that i will try to enforce the deletion of the old 
matroska project on sourcforge now by all means : 
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=927661&group_id=1&atid=200001 
.
Four earlier requests had been rejected by them, using the argument that 
the old code could be of use to somebody .....

ChristianHJW



From jcsston at wiesneronline.net  Thu Apr  1 23:27:23 2004
From: jcsston at wiesneronline.net (Jory)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2004 15:27:23 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska hardware
References: <406BF99B.2090400@free.fr>
Message-ID: <000301c41830$298a1ab0$0200a8c0@jcsston>

Can we stop this?
How will we ever been taken seriously if every year we 'sell out'?

Jory

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
To: "General talk about Matroska and other products"
<matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:14 AM
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska hardware


> Hi everyone,
>
> After some discussions with Christian, we have decided to make the
> announcement of a partnership we've been discussing for a few weeks.
>
> As you know, the software is gaining more and more "market share" in the
>   AV world and the hardware is getting less important. So it is a
> logical move for all A/V machine creators to embrace this move and
> become more flexible. This is a key move for us as we are meant to be
> flexible, extensible as much as possible and it doesn't always meet the
> requirements of restricted hardware devices.
>
> As you know, Sony are going to use Linux is some of their future A/V
> devices and especially in their DVR devices. And they have accepted to
> use Matroska as the basis of their "organic" system. That means a system
> that will grow and evolve with time with constant upgrades and new
> features/codecs.
>
> OK, this is an april's fool. But I'm sure that this is the way things
> are going to move in the future, anyway (until lossless compression is
> the only thing needed, which I doubt will ever happen, for bandwidth
> efficiency reason)
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general



From chris at matroska.org  Fri Apr  2 05:59:47 2004
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 05:59:47 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Wavpack 4 beta 1 released 
Message-ID: <406CE533.6050301@matroska.org>

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?showtopic=20335&hl=



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Apr  2 09:39:59 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 09:39:59 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska hardware
In-Reply-To: <000301c41830$298a1ab0$0200a8c0@jcsston>
References: <406BF99B.2090400@free.fr> <000301c41830$298a1ab0$0200a8c0@jcsston>
Message-ID: <406D18CF.1060308@free.fr>

Mmm, on first of april we usually make jokes around here... I thought 
this one was very obvious but had to be made.

We probably want to be taken seriously but not if we are not allowed to 
have fun (of ourselves).

And BTW it wasn't 'sell out' as we didn't sell anything to anyone.

Jory wrote:
> Can we stop this?
> How will we ever been taken seriously if every year we 'sell out'?
> 
> Jory
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr>
> To: "General talk about Matroska and other products"
> <matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 5:14 AM
> Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska hardware
> 
> 
> 
>>Hi everyone,
>>
>>After some discussions with Christian, we have decided to make the
>>announcement of a partnership we've been discussing for a few weeks.
>>
>>As you know, the software is gaining more and more "market share" in the
>>  AV world and the hardware is getting less important. So it is a
>>logical move for all A/V machine creators to embrace this move and
>>become more flexible. This is a key move for us as we are meant to be
>>flexible, extensible as much as possible and it doesn't always meet the
>>requirements of restricted hardware devices.
>>
>>As you know, Sony are going to use Linux is some of their future A/V
>>devices and especially in their DVR devices. And they have accepted to
>>use Matroska as the basis of their "organic" system. That means a system
>>that will grow and evolve with time with constant upgrades and new
>>features/codecs.
>>
>>OK, this is an april's fool. But I'm sure that this is the way things
>>are going to move in the future, anyway (until lossless compression is
>>the only thing needed, which I doubt will ever happen, for bandwidth
>>efficiency reason)


From NEJohnson at bigfoot.com  Mon Apr  5 02:01:21 2004
From: NEJohnson at bigfoot.com (N. E. Johnson)
Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 00:01:21 +0000
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matrowska Team to join Xiph.org
In-Reply-To: <avi2ae$l0m$1@main.gmane.org>
References: <KNEBIDDBPHFAOCKHMIAEIEHOCHAA.christian.wiesner@mahlo.com>
	<avi2ae$l0m$1@main.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <c4q7jh$me6$1@sea.gmane.org>

> without completely breaking backwards compatability.  And if you're going to
> do that, why not just use Matroska?

Maybe if you were on the team, that's what they would do.
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From moritz at bunkus.org  Mon Apr  5 20:17:51 2004
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 20:17:51 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mkvtoolnix 0.8.7 released
Message-ID: <20040405181751.GA12604@bunkus.org>

Heya,

here's another release of mkvtoolnix. A couple of new features, but
nothing fancy.

The homapage:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
The Windows binaries:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-0.8.7.rar
The sources:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/mkvtoolnix-0.8.7.tar.bz2

And here's the ChangeLog:
-----------------------------------
2004-04-05  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* Released v0.8.7.

2004-04-03  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvinfo: new feature: Added a terse output format via '-s'.

2004-03-27  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: new feature: If using MPEG4 video and no aspect
	ratio or display dimensions are given mkvmerge will extract the
	aspect ratio information from the stream and automatically set the
	display dimensions accordingly.

2004-03-22  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: Using audio sync on AC3 tracks read from
	Matroska files did not work.

2004-03-21  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvextract: new feature: Added extraction of RealAudio and
	RealVideo tracks to RealMedia files.

2004-03-16  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mmg: new feature: Added a 'job queue'. The current settings can
	be added as a new job, and all pending jobs can be started for
	batch processing without user interaction.
--------------------

Have fun.

Mosu

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Apr 12 17:05:06 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 17:05:06 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] DVD content skiped
Message-ID: <407AB022.9040902@free.fr>

http://www.geek.com/news/geeknews/2004Mar/gee20040409024664.htm

This is the kind of stuff I added to the Chapter a few months ago but I 
failed to implement the support in the DirectShow player.



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Apr 15 01:30:00 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2004 01:30:00 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska library now LGPL
Message-ID: <407DC978.8070008@free.fr>

As the titles says, I've now switched all the code of libebml and 
libmatroska to the LGPL license only. That means no more GPL and QPL 
dual license. That means everyone is now free to use them in open and 
closed projects as long as they make available their modifications to 
the person who receives a compiled version.


From chris at matroska.org  Fri Apr 16 14:29:31 2004
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 14:29:31 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Advertising for new developers on various
	webboards
Message-ID: <407FD1AB.5070304@matroska.org>


Hi,

i am asking your opinion about asking new developers to join the team on 
a couple of webforums.

Main tasks to look at are :

- menue system implementation ( following robux4's specs, in a first 
step DVD menue conversion to MKV menue )
- USF muxer, outputting a .mks stream for muxing with mkvmerge ( dont 
know unmei's status on that - maybe he will do it )
- a codec download server plugin from the shell extension ( my dream ;-) )
- an official mkvextract and mkvinfo GUI

All these tasks can be given to devs who dont have an indeep idea about 
matroska IMO, other than the rest of the missing items like

- control tracks
- native MPEG4
- MPC implementation
etc.

What you all think ?

To make this clear, i would ask Doom9 first what he thinks about that, 
if he doesnt like it we can go to other places and leave Doom9 out, to 
avoid further trouble   ;-) ...

Christian





From suiryc at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 16 14:50:46 2004
From: suiryc at yahoo.com (Cyrius)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 05:50:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Matroska-general] Advertising for new developers on various
	webboards
In-Reply-To: <407FD1AB.5070304@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <20040416125046.76902.qmail@web12905.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Christian HJ Wiesner <chris at matroska.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> i am asking your opinion about asking new developers to join the team
> on 
> a couple of webforums.
> 
> Main tasks to look at are :
> 
> - menue system implementation ( following robux4's specs, in a first 
> step DVD menue conversion to MKV menue )
> - USF muxer, outputting a .mks stream for muxing with mkvmerge ( dont
> 
> know unmei's status on that - maybe he will do it )
> - a codec download server plugin from the shell extension ( my dream
> ;-) )
> - an official mkvextract and mkvinfo GUI

IIRC someone already coded a GUI for mkvextract ...

> All these tasks can be given to devs who dont have an indeep idea
> about 
> matroska IMO, other than the rest of the missing items like
> 
> - control tracks
> - native MPEG4
> - MPC implementation
> etc.
> 
> What you all think ?
> 
> To make this clear, i would ask Doom9 first what he thinks about
> that, 
> if he doesnt like it we can go to other places and leave Doom9 out,
> to 
> avoid further trouble   ;-) ...
> 
> Christian



	
		
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From dcoder at alexandria.cc  Fri Apr 16 21:34:46 2004
From: dcoder at alexandria.cc (Dcoder)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2004 20:34:46 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Advertising for new developers on
	variouswebboards
References: <407FD1AB.5070304@matroska.org>
	<20040416125046.76902.qmail@web12905.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c5pcgg$4fo$1@sea.gmane.org>


"Cyrius" <suiryc at yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:20040416125046.76902.qmail at web12905.mail.yahoo.com...
> --- Christian HJ Wiesner <chris at matroska.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > i am asking your opinion about asking new developers to join the team
> > on
> > a couple of webforums.
> >
> > Main tasks to look at are :
> >
> > - menue system implementation ( following robux4's specs, in a first
> > step DVD menue conversion to MKV menue )
> > - USF muxer, outputting a .mks stream for muxing with mkvmerge ( dont
> >
> > know unmei's status on that - maybe he will do it )
> > - a codec download server plugin from the shell extension ( my dream
> > ;-) )
> > - an official mkvextract and mkvinfo GUI
>
> IIRC someone already coded a GUI for mkvextract ...

And mkvinfo has already a GUI. Just use the -g or --gui switch.





From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Apr 22 14:26:55 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 14:26:55 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: matroska project deletion on sf.net
In-Reply-To: <12j2801e9jpdbssr83b960vngbj32u8n4v@4ax.com>
References: <406C4B76.6090900@matroska.org>
	<12j2801e9jpdbssr83b960vngbj32u8n4v@4ax.com>
Message-ID: <4087BA0F.6070704@free.fr>

BetaBoy wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Apr 2004 19:03:50 +0200, Christian HJ Wiesner
> <chris at matroska.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Just informing you that i will try to enforce the deletion of the old 
>>matroska project on sourcforge now by all means : 
>>http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=927661&group_id=1&atid=200001 
>>.
>>Four earlier requests had been rejected by them, using the argument that 
>>the old code could be of use to somebody .....
>>
>>ChristianHJW
> 
> 
> I have added a request as well....... let's see what happens.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=936968&group_id=1&atid=200001

I was thinking about it the other day... Actually it may be good to keep 
the CVS accessible. Because it may be usefull if someday there are 
patent claims and that we can show that the date of prior art is the one 
on SF, not the one on CC which came later... Just in case.


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Apr 22 23:10:38 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 23:10:38 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Advertising for new developers on various
	webboards
In-Reply-To: <407FD1AB.5070304@matroska.org>
References: <407FD1AB.5070304@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <408834CE.1010202@free.fr>

Christian HJ Wiesner wrote:

> - an official mkvextract and mkvinfo GUI

Maybe it would be nice to have mkvinfo output an XML file of the whole 
layout (in addition of the human readable version). That way it could be 
displayed nicely in a tree. Not too complicated I think.

> All these tasks can be given to devs who dont have an indeep idea about 
> matroska IMO, other than the rest of the missing items like
> 
> - control tracks
> - native MPEG4
> - MPC implementation
> etc.
> 
> What you all think ?

I'll work on the MPC part. And maybe the control track later.
My main interrests now are : MPC, MPC in Matroska, GStreamer (with DV in 
MKV)


From paul at msn.com  Fri Apr 23 05:36:54 2004
From: paul at msn.com (Paul Bryson)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2004 22:36:54 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] Video delay issues in display hardware
Message-ID: <c6a4p1$969$1@sea.gmane.org>

Interesting article talking about how high end displays (LCD, Plasma, etc) have
issues where the processing on the video causes a delay in the video, making it
not synched with the audio.

http://www.eetimes.com/sys/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=0KBRI4NGVJEEIQSNDBCSKHY?articleID=18901792


Pamel





From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Apr 23 10:01:05 2004
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:01:05 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Advertising for new developers on various
	webboards
In-Reply-To: <407FD1AB.5070304@matroska.org>
References: <407FD1AB.5070304@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <20040423080105.GB17155@bunkus.org>

Heya,

> - menue system implementation ( following robux4's specs, in a first 
> step DVD menue conversion to MKV menue )

We definitely need helpers here.

> - USF muxer, outputting a .mks stream for muxing with mkvmerge ( dont 
> know unmei's status on that - maybe he will do it )

Would be cool, although I'm still not certain about the right way to do
this...

> - an official mkvextract and mkvinfo GUI

mkvinfo has a built-in GUI which can be invoked with 'mkvinfo -g'. Not
that it's very nice, though. For mkvextract there's this other GUI.

Mosu

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds


From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Apr 23 19:40:57 2004
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:40:57 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] libebml 0.7.0 & libmatroska 0.7.0 released
Message-ID: <20040423174057.GC4230@bunkus.org>

Heya,

we've got a new release of libebml and libmatroska. Both are at
0.7.0. Normally I don't announce these releases, but in this case we've
finally changed the license from dual-licensed GPL / QPL to pure LGPL.

The libs should be available at http://www.matroska.org/ Unfortunately
our download server http://dl.matroska.org/ seems to be down at the
moment. So for the time being you can also use the sources on my server
at http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/

Have a nice evening.

Mosu

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds


From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Apr 23 19:45:02 2004
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 19:45:02 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mkvtoolnix 0.8.8 released
Message-ID: <20040423174502.GD4230@bunkus.org>

Heya,

here's another release of mkvtoolnix. Bug fixes all over the place this
time, but nothing major like 'erases your precious movie collection' ;)

The homepage:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
The sources:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/sources/mkvtoolnix-0.8.8.tar.bz2
The Windows binaries:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-0.8.8.rar
The packages for RedHat/FedoraCore and SuSE are being built at the
moment and will be available on the mkvtoolnix homepage shortly.

Here's the ChangeLog since 0.8.7:
-------------------------------------
2004-04-23  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* Released v0.8.8.

	* mkvtoolnix now depends on libebml 0.7.0 and libmatroska 0.7.0.

2004-04-21  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvinfo: bug fix: mkvinfo was forcing libmatroska not to handle
	unknown elements and crashed on those.

2004-04-15  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mmg: new feature: When adding Matroska files the video track's
	display dimensions are displayed as well.

2004-04-13  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: new feature: Implemented reading AAC from AVIs.

2004-04-11  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: The Flac packetizer was accessing
	uninitialized memory resulting in a crash on Windows.

	* avilib: bug fix: Fixed compilation on big endian systems.

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: Fixed the handling of RealMedia files with
	'multirate' tracks (again).

2004-04-09  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mkvmerge: bug fix: On some rare occasions chapters were not
	written correctly when splitting was active.

2004-04-06  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

	* mmg: bug fix: On non-Windows systems some combinations of
	wxWindows and GTK caused continuous 100% CPU usage after a special
	call to wxExecute.
-------------------------------------

Have a nice evening.

Mosu

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Apr 26 11:21:06 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 11:21:06 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Must-Have for Gnome 3
Message-ID: <408CD482.3090608@free.fr>

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6822

It's interresting to note that the first thing that Eugenia needs is a 
video editor, possibly based on GStreamer with Hardware Acceleration, to 
make DVDs and VCDs. And I agree it's really needed.


From thomas at apestaart.org  Mon Apr 26 12:20:31 2004
From: thomas at apestaart.org (Thomas Vander Stichele)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:20:31 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [gst-devel] Must-Have for Gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <408CD482.3090608@free.fr>
References: <408CD482.3090608@free.fr>
Message-ID: <1082974831.22020.15.camel@otto.amantes>

On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 11:21, Steve Lhomme wrote:
> http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6822
> 
> It's interresting to note that the first thing that Eugenia needs is a 
> video editor, possibly based on GStreamer with Hardware Acceleration, to 
> make DVDs and VCDs. And I agree it's really needed.

The story is a bit poor though.  I'd have prefered getting suggestions
for *new* applications.

Anyways, sure, it would be nice to have.

Thomas


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From johan at fluendo.com  Mon Apr 26 12:37:50 2004
From: johan at fluendo.com (Johan Dahlin)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 12:37:50 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [gst-devel] Must-Have for Gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <1082974831.22020.15.camel@otto.amantes>
References: <408CD482.3090608@free.fr> <1082974831.22020.15.camel@otto.amantes>
Message-ID: <1082975870.3241.3.camel@johan>

m?n 2004-04-26 klockan 12.20 skrev Thomas Vander Stichele:
> On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 11:21, Steve Lhomme wrote:
> > http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6822
> > 
> > It's interresting to note that the first thing that Eugenia needs is a 
> > video editor, possibly based on GStreamer with Hardware Acceleration, to 
> > make DVDs and VCDs. And I agree it's really needed.
> 
> The story is a bit poor though.  I'd have prefered getting suggestions
> for *new* applications.

It's not only poor, it had bad assumptions, gnome 3.0 is not due in a
year. Gnome is going to stick to the 2.0 platform for at least another
few years.
-- 
Johan Dahlin <johan at fluendo.com>



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Apr 26 13:14:44 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2004 13:14:44 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: [gst-devel] Must-Have for Gnome 3
In-Reply-To: <1082975870.3241.3.camel@johan>
References: <408CD482.3090608@free.fr>	
	<1082974831.22020.15.camel@otto.amantes>
	<1082975870.3241.3.camel@johan>
Message-ID: <408CEF24.1000303@free.fr>

Johan Dahlin wrote:

> m?n 2004-04-26 klockan 12.20 skrev Thomas Vander Stichele:
> 
>>On Mon, 2004-04-26 at 11:21, Steve Lhomme wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=6822
>>>
>>>It's interresting to note that the first thing that Eugenia needs is a 
>>>video editor, possibly based on GStreamer with Hardware Acceleration, to 
>>>make DVDs and VCDs. And I agree it's really needed.
>>
>>The story is a bit poor though.  I'd have prefered getting suggestions
>>for *new* applications.
> 
> 
> It's not only poor, it had bad assumptions, gnome 3.0 is not due in a
> year. Gnome is going to stick to the 2.0 platform for at least another
> few years.

Yes, but these apps don't exist and may take some time to exist... It's 
just the usual stuff from Eugenia, general suggestions of what she needs 
(as a Windows, BeOS, OS X & Linux user). I find it interresting to have 
GStreamer integrated in future plans.


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Apr 27 10:15:12 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:15:12 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Where do we go from here ?
Message-ID: <408E1690.1070207@free.fr>

Hi,

It's been almost one year since we have usable tools for the general 
public to handle Matroska content. The format has progressed a bit since 
then and has become "stable" (ok, some things could be better, but it's 
already great).

So ? Is it the end of the road ? Or are we going to progress from here 
to something better and/or something new ?

Any input is *highly* welcome. (I will post mine next)

Also it would be nice to make a meeting soon on IRC with as many people 
as possible. This friday (european) night would be OK for everyone ?


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Apr 27 10:42:47 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 10:42:47 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Where do we go from here ?
In-Reply-To: <408E1690.1070207@free.fr>
References: <408E1690.1070207@free.fr>
Message-ID: <408E1D07.4010401@free.fr>

> Any input is *highly* welcome. (I will post mine next)

We all have different lifes, different interrests, different needs. And 
Matroska managed to be done within this "chaos". So I think there is 
still room for more, and even much more : we have more people involved 
now than one year ago, more experience. On the other hand, the more 
people there are, the less easy it is to coordinate things make everyone 
efficient (progress and have things actually done, not 50%). And as you 
obviously noted Christian and I have had less time to do that in the 
past few months (both for personal reasons, not lack of interrest). And 
it is the least interresting part of the "job", at least from a 
coder/creator's point of view. But we really need to spend more time on 
this.

Of course it's hard to convince people to work on something that will 
probably not give them any money (it's quite clear now that no company 
will ever pay us for the Matroska format, as everything is now 
completely free). And all this time we spend is worth money, especially 
for some of us who has a job (I wish I could be a student forever ;). 
And even with a few money we couldn't stop our jobs anyway. So right now 
  I think that we will be a large/growing project but only on our spare 
time. And this is an important part we have to take into consideration.

So from this spare time, what can we do ? What is needed ?

First, my personal needs :
- capture TV into Matroska (DirectShow based)
- capture DV into Matroska (with an efficient Matroska handling)
- reencode these captures to smaller MKV
- burn MKV movies as DVDs
- Musepack (MPC) in MKV/MKA
- support for MKA in iTunes

Some of these could be done with GStreamer. And the advantage of 
GSTreamer is that it may be working on Linux, Windows, OS X someday from 
the same code. So any tools based on these would probably be portable 
too. And we have to keep that in mind (that's also a reason why it's 
harder to get money/support, because no OS vendor is interrested in 
support something that will work as well for competitors).

It would be nice to have everyone make such a list, with overlaps, so 
that we can see the main projects/targets, who wants to work on them, 
how long it could take, how hard it is, etc. So we could define 
priorities and goals.



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Apr 27 14:24:25 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:24:25 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] New DRM system by IBM
Message-ID: <408E50F9.3080609@free.fr>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/04/27/ibm_drm_bid/

They don't mention if it would work with OSS or not.


From dcoder at alexandria.cc  Tue Apr 27 16:21:54 2004
From: dcoder at alexandria.cc (Dcoder)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 15:21:54 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Where do we go from here ?
References: <408E1690.1070207@free.fr>
Message-ID: <c6lq9d$9u$1@sea.gmane.org>


"Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr> wrote in message
news:408E1690.1070207 at free.fr...
> Hi,
>
> It's been almost one year since we have usable tools for the general
> public to handle Matroska content. The format has progressed a bit since
> then and has become "stable" (ok, some things could be better, but it's
> already great).
>

Very true ;)

> So ? Is it the end of the road ? Or are we going to progress from here
> to something better and/or something new ?
>

I think the format is pretty good now, even if it is a bit flawed/deficient
in some things. However, there are things that could be done in Matroska,
and that would boost the popularity of Matroska. One of these things is
obviously menus. I know there are already drafts of menu specs in
matroska.org. I wish I could make anything from them, but I can't. However,
I am using my free time (it is quite a lot, since i'm a student :) to try to
understand and make something useful for Matroska or anything related to it.
I know x86 asm and some C, dunno if it's useful. Anyway, here's my list of
things that i think important for Matroska at this point:

- Control Tracks/Menus in Matroska
- Musepack in Matroska
- Matroska support in standalones (quite a long shot)
- Native MPEG4 in Matroska (dunno the actual state of this)

On par with that, it'd be nice to see a win32 port/build of Gstreamer, maybe
it would motivate some devs that are not confortable with Linux.

> Also it would be nice to make a meeting soon on IRC with as many people
> as possible. This friday (european) night would be OK for everyone ?

Fine for me. I'll be there.





From renekoch at e-divx.at  Tue Apr 27 21:07:39 2004
From: renekoch at e-divx.at (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Koch?=)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2004 21:07:39 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Where do we go from here ?
References: <408E1690.1070207@free.fr> <c6lq9d$9u$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <006b01c42c8a$e9cea700$5ef698d4@scratpc>

> I think the format is pretty good now, even if it is a bit
flawed/deficient
> in some things. However, there are things that could be done in Matroska,
> and that would boost the popularity of Matroska. One of these things is
> obviously menus. I know there are already drafts of menu specs in
> matroska.org. I wish I could make anything from them, but I can't.
However,
> I am using my free time (it is quite a lot, since i'm a student :) to try
to
> understand and make something useful for Matroska or anything related to
it.
> I know x86 asm and some C, dunno if it's useful. Anyway, here's my list of
> things that i think important for Matroska at this point:
>
> - Control Tracks/Menus in Matroska
> - Musepack in Matroska
> - Matroska support in standalones (quite a long shot)
> - Native MPEG4 in Matroska (dunno the actual state of this)

Hey!

There are two things I miss in matroska. First of all Menus as Dcoder wrote
and secondly support for USF-subtitles in matroska...


cu, scrat



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Apr 29 10:36:13 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 10:36:13 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Elegance in softwares
Message-ID: <4090BE7D.7090304@free.fr>

An interresting read :

http://actsofvolition.com/archives/2004/april/theriseof


From ahmad10854 at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 29 15:21:23 2004
From: ahmad10854 at yahoo.com (Ahmad talaee)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 06:21:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Matroska-general] hello
Message-ID: <20040429132123.10855.qmail@web11508.mail.yahoo.com>

hi . i wanted to know about this format more .beside i have some general question
first of them is about how i can convert this format i mean mka to other formats like
avi or ogm or convert avi or ogm to mka.i will be thankful for that.
 
 
                 so long

		
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From christian.hj.wiesner at web.de  Thu Apr 29 07:08:36 2004
From: christian.hj.wiesner at web.de (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 07:08:36 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Why i am away from the project for the time
	being, and a general note about unemployment and relationships .....
Message-ID: <002401c42df3$138ce480$f5000edd@mahlo.de>

Hi all,

just informing you why you dont see me or hear from me for the time being, in case you wondered or are concerned.

Nothing has changed, dont worry, its just that my server at home decided to not see its Ethernet card shortly before i started on another bussiness trip to China, and i couldnt fix that before i left. For that very reason, my email server @home is down, so i cant receive or send emails to my @wiesneronline.net and @matroska.org accounts. Also, for some strange reason, i cant connect to irc.corcodec.com anymore from China ( worked fine before ), and as my server is down i also cant use my own proxy to circumvent any IP range blocking, if there is one ( is there one ? ).

So dont worry, i'll be back shortly, after being able to fix my server on my return to Germany, which will be next Monday.

On a sidenote ( not really matroska related, sorry for that, but maybe interesting to some of you reading here ) :

We were searching for Windows programmers at my company now for some time, and finally hired two software engineers. Our head of development, my old friend G?nter ( we know each other from university times ) had about 350 CV's on his desk, mainly students with no practical experience on a job. He wanted to hire a guy with at least 2 years job practice, but it turned out that all the guys fulfilling that precaution were either too expensive, or didnt make a good impression. now guess who finally got the jobs :

Two students were hired, with no real experience on the job, but both being already known to the company from some practical weeks, when they designed and coded some simple stuff for us, and did a good job. Now, what do i want to tell you with that ?

Well, however advanced our brains are after a couple of 1000 years cultural development, humans are still animals whith respect to their 'BIOS' ( ;-) ), or in other words, there are some basic behaviours that havent changed and will probably never change, unless we decide to replace our brains with superior CPU's one day.

One thing that is still influencing a lot, if not most of our decisions, is the importance of human relationships. People prefer to deal or work with people they know already, and this has even more validity the bigger the importance of the 'deal' is. In the case of my friend G?nter hiring those 2 students he knew already, when having the choice from 350 CV's on his desk, he acted very human. Of course, as the guy responsible for the results from hiring two new engineers, he is under pressure from his ( and my ) boss. So, he was taking the the track of the lowest risk for him, hiring people where he could be quite sure they
- will bring acceptable results
- will fit in the dev team
- understand what our bussiness is about
and in case they really fail, he even has a good excuse he could use, telling his boss that he was making the decision based on their previous work, with good results.

Now, what does that mean for those of you seeking to get a job ?

Guys, try to build up relationships !! Take on part time jobs at software companies you know, and even if you just carry the mail there or have to clean the floor, you will be able to build up relationships, get access to certain people who can help you. Try to acquire for paid programming jobs on the internet, even if the payment sucks badly, and try to make a good job ( like what Jory is doing now ). Dont limit your thinking to this one job and the money you get from it, thats wrong. This job will help you to create new relationships, make new friends, get in contact with new people, etc. pp, and one day you might get a first chance from that, and your first real employment. Everything you do in your life, well almost everything, will turn out to be helpful for your life, one day in future. Of course, i said 'almost' everything, because honestly speaking i cant think of any advantages you could get from doing PC gaming ;-) .... but i guess most of you guys know my opinion about PC games anyhow.

For young, talented and intelligent people like you are, it must be pretty demotivating that even in the 3rd Millennium people are still making decisions based on human relations, instead of just facts. Well, the world is ( still ) in no way perfect, maybe we can live up to creating a better version of it once we are in charge, but for now we all have to accept the current situation, and make the best out of it.

I hope you dont misunderstand my email, i am certainly not trying to speak to you like a father to his son, i would never dare to do that. If you see it as a tip from an elder brother, i am happy :-). BTW, do yourself a favour and dont even think one second about getting a job in the multimedia programming scene. If there is one thing i learned in my life, never try to make your hobby your job. In most cases, hobbies are no good to earn a decent living, because everything thats fun has a lower value than those things nobody wants to do as a hobby ;-) .....

Greetings from Guangzhou Airport

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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Apr 29 17:56:54 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2004 17:56:54 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Why i am away from the project for the time
	being, and a general note about unemployment and relationships .....
In-Reply-To: <002401c42df3$138ce480$f5000edd@mahlo.de>
References: <002401c42df3$138ce480$f5000edd@mahlo.de>
Message-ID: <409125C6.3050806@free.fr>

Christian HJ Wiesner wrote:
> you see it as a tip from an elder brother, i am happy :-). BTW, do 
> yourself a favour and dont even think one second about getting a job in 
> the multimedia programming scene. If there is one thing i learned in my 
> life, never try to make your hobby your job. In most cases, hobbies are 
> no good to earn a decent living, because everything thats fun has a 
> lower value than those things nobody wants to do as a hobby ;-) .....

Well, I didn't learn to do computer programming but other things (which 
are somehow related). And because I spent a lot of time programming and 
on the net, I decided I wanted to work there. And it finally happened 
(my first and only job)... But I never tried to make money with music ;)


From suiryc at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 11:31:36 2004
From: suiryc at yahoo.com (Cyrius)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:31:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Matroska-general] Where do we go from here ?
In-Reply-To: <408E1D07.4010401@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20040430093136.31362.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi

> Of course it's hard to convince people to work on something that will
> probably not give them any money (it's quite clear now that no
> company 
> will ever pay us for the Matroska format, as everything is now 
> completely free).

That's what Open Source is about ;)

> And even with a few money we couldn't stop our jobs anyway. So right
> now 
>   I think that we will be a large/growing project but only on our
> spare 
> time. And this is an important part we have to take into
> consideration.
> 
> So from this spare time, what can we do ? What is needed ?
> 
> First, my personal needs :
> - capture TV into Matroska (DirectShow based)
> - capture DV into Matroska (with an efficient Matroska handling)
> - reencode these captures to smaller MKV
> - burn MKV movies as DVDs
> - Musepack (MPC) in MKV/MKA
> - support for MKA in iTunes

My personal interests right now are rather limited:
  - new x-platform video encoder (which includes everything related to
that, such as investigating gstreamer, etc)

Oh, I also want to finish to rewrite my old OGM tools (it's already
quite advanced now), but I guess you don't care about that part ;)

> Some of these could be done with GStreamer. And the advantage of 
> GSTreamer is that it may be working on Linux, Windows, OS X someday
> from 
> the same code. So any tools based on these would probably be portable
> too. And we have to keep that in mind (that's also a reason why it's 
> harder to get money/support, because no OS vendor is interrested in 
> support something that will work as well for competitors).

Anyway you all know I'm doing this only to become famous ;)


Best regards
Cyrius


	
		
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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Apr 30 11:34:01 2004
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 11:34:01 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Where do we go from here ?
In-Reply-To: <20040430093136.31362.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20040430093136.31362.qmail@web12906.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40921D89.9080103@free.fr>

Cyrius wrote:
> My personal interests right now are rather limited:
>   - new x-platform video encoder (which includes everything related to
> that, such as investigating gstreamer, etc)
> 
> Oh, I also want to finish to rewrite my old OGM tools (it's already
> quite advanced now), but I guess you don't care about that part ;)

I care that you waste your precious time ;)

>>Some of these could be done with GStreamer. And the advantage of 
>>GSTreamer is that it may be working on Linux, Windows, OS X someday
>>from 
>>the same code. So any tools based on these would probably be portable
>>too. And we have to keep that in mind (that's also a reason why it's 
>>harder to get money/support, because no OS vendor is interrested in 
>>support something that will work as well for competitors).
> 
> 
> Anyway you all know I'm doing this only to become famous ;)

OK, that could work ;)


From suiryc at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 30 11:57:20 2004
From: suiryc at yahoo.com (Cyrius)
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 02:57:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Matroska-general] Where do we go from here ?
In-Reply-To: <40921D89.9080103@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20040430095720.63568.qmail@web12907.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Steve Lhomme <steve.lhomme at free.fr> wrote:
> Cyrius wrote:
> > My personal interests right now are rather limited:
> >   - new x-platform video encoder (which includes everything related
> to
> > that, such as investigating gstreamer, etc)
> > 
> > Oh, I also want to finish to rewrite my old OGM tools (it's already
> > quite advanced now), but I guess you don't care about that part ;)
> 
> I care that you waste your precious time ;)

Oh my, did I say encoder ? I meant editor (which includes encoding of
course :p) :)

About OGM: I don't like OGM that much (pain in the a** to edit ... I
love granulepos yay \o/), I didn't started to rewrite my tools in a
"support OGM" aim. I spent most of my time learning on threads etc, and
then on making some generic classes to use I/O, threads, etc for Win32
and POSIX. Of course you find similar things on many systems (glib,
wxWidget, ...) so it wasn't meant to become a famous lib :p, but mainly
for me to do some real x-platform development using abstraction layers.
This way I don't feel like I wasted my time ;)



	
		
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