From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Oct  3 11:57:45 2003
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 11:57:45 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] new mkvtoolnix release 0.7.1
Message-ID: <20031003095745.GL13138@bunkus.org>

Hey ho,

after looking at my webserver's logs for the last couple of days and
seeing that the latest pre-version had about twice as many downloads as
the latest official release (0.7.0) I decided it was time to release a
new thingy.

No, not really - but now I've finished all that I wanted to finish
before releasing 0.7.1. It is a combination of bug fixes and new
features, most prominent among them the new chapter editor that has been
included in the GUI.

First the URLs:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-0.7.1.rar

Please read the new mkvmerge-gui.html that I've created. It is a first
shot and is not really a good guide, but it'll explain some things that
I don't want to repeat here (e.g. about the capabilities of the chapter
editor).

I've changed some critical code in the heart of the muxer which has not
been tested excessively. I've done my best to test all combinations of
the changed options/new options, but I'm really looking forward to your
feedback - especially to feedback about the chapter editor and mmg's new
guide.

(Criticism like 'hey you don't know squat about writing good
documentation' is not helpful - I already know that ;))

Anyway, here's the ChangeLog since the last release:

--------------------------
2003-10-03  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * Released v0.7.1.

        * Added a guide for mmg including some pictures.

2003-10-01  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mkvmerge: Changed the lacing strategy again. New defaults are
        NOT to write duration elements for all blocks, NOT to use time
        slices and to USE lacing for most audio tracks. This will save
        some space. The downside is that the laced frames 'lose' their
        precise timecode information. Current demuxers don't care and will
        work nevertheless. More sophisticated applications that make use
        of these advanced information (duration elements, time slices) are
        not available at the moment. All these options can be toggled by
        the user with the new/modified options --disable-lacing,
        --enable-durations and --enable-timeslices.

2003-09-29  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mkvmerge: new feature: Attachments are kept when reading
        Matroska files.

2003-09-28  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mmg: new feature: Added a (nearly) full-featured chapter editor.

2003-09-26  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mkvmerge: bug fix: XML chapters were not parsed correctly.

2003-09-24  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mkvmerge: bug fix/new feature: Rewrote the complete MP3
        handling. Now files with ID3 tags (both v1 and v2) are handled
        correctly. All MPEG-1 audio files (all layers) should be handled
        correctly now.

2003-09-23  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mkvextract: new feature: Support for extract HE-AAC tracks to
        .aac files. Bug fix: Missing elements (default values) are handled
        correctly for audio tracks.

2003-09-19  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mkvmerge: bugfix: If attachments were given with path components
        then the path component wasn't discarded for the attachment's
        description on Windows (normally only the file name should be used
        as the attachment's name).

        * mmg: Fixed wrong order of the options --chapters,
        --chapter-language and --chapter-charset.

2003-09-17  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mmg: Added a lot of checks on the data given by the user so that
        invalid data is reported by mmg and not by mkvmerge.

        * mmg: Made the app a GUI app which gets rid of the "DOS box" on
        Windows.

2003-09-16  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mmg: bugfix: Moved the aspect ratio and FourCC input fields from
        the global tab to the input tab where they belong to.

        * mkvmerge: new feature: RealAudio can be read from Matroska files.

        * mkvmerge: bugfix: RealVideo was not read correctly from Matroska
        files.

        * mkvmerge: bugfix: The SRT reader would abort if there was more
        than one empty line between subtitle entries line.

        * mkvextract: bugfix: Proper BOMs are written according to the
        desired charset when extracting text subtitles.
-------------------------

-- 
 ==> Ciao, Mosu (Moritz Bunkus)


From chris at matroska.org  Fri Oct  3 16:20:59 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2003 16:20:59 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] new mkvtoolnix release 0.7.1
In-Reply-To: <20031003095745.GL13138@bunkus.org>
References: <20031003095745.GL13138@bunkus.org>
Message-ID: <3F7D85CB.8050702@matroska.org>

Moritz Bunkus wrote:

>Hey ho,
>
>after looking at my webserver's logs for the last couple of days and
>seeing that the latest pre-version had about twice as many downloads as
>the latest official release (0.7.0) I decided it was time to release a
>new thingy.
>  
>
Mosu, can you give us some numbers, just out of curiosity ?

>Please read the new mkvmerge-gui.html that I've created. It is a first
>shot and is not really a good guide, but it'll explain some things that
>I don't want to repeat here (e.g. about the capabilities of the chapter
>editor).
>(Criticism like 'hey you don't know squat about writing good
>documentation' is not helpful - I already know that ;))
>  
>
Eheheheh ... i wished i had the same skills, does that thrown a bad 
shadow on them ( = my documentation skills ) :D ??

>Anyway, here's the ChangeLog since the last release:
>        * mkvmerge: Changed the lacing strategy again. New defaults are
>        NOT to write duration elements for all blocks, NOT to use time
>        slices and to USE lacing for most audio tracks. This will save
>        some space. The downside is that the laced frames 'lose' their
>        precise timecode information. Current demuxers don't care and will
>        work nevertheless. More sophisticated applications that make use
>        of these advanced information (duration elements, time slices) are
>        not available at the moment. All these options can be toggled by
>        the user with the new/modified options --disable-lacing,
>        --enable-durations and --enable-timeslices.
>  
>
I admit i completely lost track meanwhile about what timeslices etc. 
are, but let me put a big questionmark behind that :

Is it really the right thing to do ? Maybe current parsers dont support 
it, but who cares ? Abandon the advantages of timeslices, just to save a 
little bit of overhead ? I ask for opnions pls. ....

>        * mmg: new feature: Added a (nearly) full-featured chapter editor.
>  
>
Great ! I was never working with chapter files myself as the chapters 
from the DVds are not suited in most cases, so i made them myself in 
VdubMod, and this is what i need in mkvmerge :) ...

>        * mkvmerge: bug fix/new feature: Rewrote the complete MP3
>        handling. Now files with ID3 tags (both v1 and v2) are handled
>        correctly. All MPEG-1 audio files (all layers) should be handled
>        correctly now.
>  
>
Does that mean that a ID3 tagged MP3 file can be converted into a tagged 
MKA, and the tags are converted 1:1 ?

Mosu, a wonderful release !!! Now give us vobsubs's and i care that we 
can play them :) !!

Christian



From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Oct  3 18:02:58 2003
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 18:02:58 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-users] Re: [Matroska-general] new mkvtoolnix release
	0.7.1
In-Reply-To: <3F7D85CB.8050702@matroska.org>
References: <20031003095745.GL13138@bunkus.org> <3F7D85CB.8050702@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <20031003160258.GN13138@bunkus.org>

Hi.

> Mosu, can you give us some numbers, just out of curiosity ?

Ok, the pre-Releases were not really downloaded more often than the
0.7.0 - that was only the case in the last week or so.

Here's a run-down of how often releases/sources were downloaded: (only
showing 300 downloads or more and the most recent release, 0.7.1, which
is only about five hours old):

    147 mkvtoolnix-0.7.1.rar
        ...
    342 mkvtoolnix-0.6.6.1.rar
    485 mkvtoolnix-0.4.4.zip
    518 mkvtoolnix-0.7.0.tar.bz2
    557 mkvtoolnix-0.6.6.rar
    828 mkvtoolnix-0.7.0pre-20030916-2.rar
   1065 mkvtoolnix-0.6.3.zip
   1066 mkvtoolnix-0.6.2.zip
   1117 mkvtoolnix-0.5.0.zip
   1155 mkvtoolnix-0.6.5.zip
   2703 mkvtoolnix-0.7.0.rar
   2747 mkvtoolnix-0.6.0.zip

> Eheheheh ... i wished i had the same skills, does that thrown a bad 
> shadow on them ( = my documentation skills ) :D ??

:) Well I have done my share of writing docs (including a pretty long
guide on DVD ripping under Linux which is now hopelessly outdated), but
I suffer from the same problem each programmer suffers from. We just
don't really know what Joe User knows about our software, which problems
he has using it and what he'd like to know first. So we often write docs
that are fine for other programmers but that don't really help new
users.

That's why I'm always open for suggestions, especially on the guide.

> I admit i completely lost track meanwhile about what timeslices etc. 
> are, but let me put a big questionmark behind that :
> 
> Is it really the right thing to do ? Maybe current parsers dont support 
> it, but who cares ? Abandon the advantages of timeslices, just to save a 
> little bit of overhead ? I ask for opnions pls. ....

Lemme put it this way. You have two options if you want to know the
duration of each and every frame in a file. The first is not to use
lacing at all. In this case you can either use the difference between
the current frame and the next frame's timecodes, or you can use
additional BlockDuration elements. This makes the file large.

If you DO use lacing in order to save space you have to use timeslices
IF you want to know all frame durations. However, using timeslices
totally defeats the purpose of lacing - with fully timesliced blocks the
files will be even bigger.

My personal opinion is that normally you don't need the durations for
all frames if you 'just' want to play your file back. If you want to
edit this file, then you would probably want to have all those
durations. At the moment there's only VDubMod which is a full movie
editor, and I'm thinking more in the direction of Adobe Premiere. For
simple playback you don't need those durations. And that's what the big
majority of users wants and needs. That's why I've chosen not to use
timeslices PER DEFAULT anymore. The user still has the choice to
explicitely activate them, though.

> Does that mean that a ID3 tagged MP3 file can be converted into a tagged 
> MKA, and the tags are converted 1:1 ?

No. ID3 tags are just discarded! Before everyone thinks 'oh wtf!?' let
me explain, please. ID3 can have files attached to them, e.g. JPEG
images, similar to our attachment systems. ID3 tags do not represent a
valid 'frame for playback' so I don't really know which timecodes I
should chose for them. Because of the files these frames can get really
ugly big - and putting those into Matroska blocks might be a bad idea.

Automatic transformation of ID3 into Matroska tags is possible, of
course, but it hasn't been implemented. I think that I'd prefer an extra
application that can do that, e.g. read a MP3 file with ID3 tags and
output a XML file suitable for mkvmerge. Otherwise mkvmerge will do more
and more things automatically, and probably no one besides myself will
know what all those things are... And let's be honest - not all that
many people read the mkvmerge documentation completely. (I don't blame
them ;))

> Mosu, a wonderful release !!! Now give us vobsubs's and i care that we 
> can play them :) !!

;) That won't be too soon I'm afraid. We still haven't agreed on how we
handle content encodings (via appending strings to the codecids or by
introducing new track info elements, and how exactly they look
etc...). And - most important - Gabest has still now shown up :(

-- 
 ==> Ciao, Mosu (Moritz Bunkus)


From chris at matroska.org  Mon Oct  6 08:05:40 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 08:05:40 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: matroska logo?]
Message-ID: <3F810634.40904@matroska.org>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	matroska logo?
Date: 	Sun, 05 Oct 2003 21:18:17 -0700
From: 	Jose Romero <jose at videoproduccion.org>
To: 	chris at matroska.org



Hello Chris:
This is Jose Romero. I did this a few weeks ago for one of my 
illustrator classes in college.
Anyway, since I saw no matroska logo, I decided to create one. Maybe I 
can get your input?

comments: the little thing on the left is (1) a dot (like on the .mkv 
extension) and (2) a zipper handle (because of the container/wrapper idea).
the colors were chosen at random.

Good day.

_____________________
Jose Romero
http://videoproduccion.org


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From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Oct  6 09:51:04 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2003 09:51:04 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] New video editors for Linux (and others ?)
Message-ID: <3F811EE8.8050704@free.fr>

http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=4742



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Oct 10 14:35:19 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2003 14:35:19 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Once again DRM
Message-ID: <3F86A787.2050108@free.fr>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/54/33277.html

In MPEG this time.



From chris at matroska.org  Mon Oct 13 23:02:43 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:02:43 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Matroska_Playback_Pack_0.6.exe ?
In-Reply-To: <20031013205205.GA12951@glas.its.tudelft.nl>
References: <20031013205205.GA12951@glas.its.tudelft.nl>
Message-ID: <3F8B12F3.7020202@matroska.org>

Hi Henjo,

thanks for the kind words, we are currently overworking the downloads 
section completely because we had to face that we cant keep it 
up-to-date with the fast ongoing development, so the new page will 
simply forward people to all the homepages of the different apps, and 
include the links to the latest packs also :) ..... test link is here : 
http://cvs.corecodec.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/matroska/doc/website/downloads/new/index.html

Christian

Henjo van Rees wrote:

>Hi there,
>
>I was wondering why there is no link to Matroska_Playback_Pack_0.6.exe
>on http://matroska.free.fr/downloads/downloads.html .
>This pack works like a charm on all machines I've tried so far, including
>support for subtitles.
>
>Is this intentional or a mistake? :)
>
>Greeting, and keep up the great work.. I'm starting to really like Matroska.
>
>--Henjo
>  
>



From renekoch at e-divx.at  Mon Oct 13 23:13:00 2003
From: renekoch at e-divx.at (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Ren=E9_Koch?=)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 23:13:00 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Matroska_Playback_Pack_0.6.exe ?
References: <20031013205205.GA12951@glas.its.tudelft.nl>
	<3F8B12F3.7020202@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <005901c391ce$c86b6dc0$5ef698d4@scratpc>

Hey!

Did I miss something? Since when is Matroska 0.6 released and what's new?


greeetings,
scrat


----- Original Message -----
From: "Christian HJ Wiesner" <chris at matroska.org>
To: "Henjo van Rees" <henjo at glas.its.tudelft.nl>; "Questions, help,
instructions, talk about Matroska" <matroska-users at lists.matroska.org>;
<matroska-general at lists.matroska.org>
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2003 11:02 PM
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Matroska_Playback_Pack_0.6.exe ?


> Hi Henjo,
>
> thanks for the kind words, we are currently overworking the downloads
> section completely because we had to face that we cant keep it
> up-to-date with the fast ongoing development, so the new page will
> simply forward people to all the homepages of the different apps, and
> include the links to the latest packs also :) ..... test link is here :
>
http://cvs.corecodec.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/matroska/doc/website
/downloads/new/index.html
>
> Christian
>
> Henjo van Rees wrote:
>
> >Hi there,
> >
> >I was wondering why there is no link to Matroska_Playback_Pack_0.6.exe
> >on http://matroska.free.fr/downloads/downloads.html .
> >This pack works like a charm on all machines I've tried so far, including
> >support for subtitles.
> >
> >Is this intentional or a mistake? :)
> >
> >Greeting, and keep up the great work.. I'm starting to really like
Matroska.
> >
> >--Henjo
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-general mailing list
> Matroska-general at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-general




From moritz at bunkus.org  Tue Oct 14 16:31:55 2003
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:31:55 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mkvtoolnix 0.7.2 released
Message-ID: <20031014143155.GF1806@bunkus.org>

Heya,

I've just released version 0.7.2 of mkvtoolnix. It is mainly a bug fix
release but has some internal changes that may or may not work for you
;) Anyway, due to the bugs that I've fixed I strongly recommend that you
upgrade to 0.7.2.

The URLs:
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-0.7.2.rar

The ChangeLog since 0.7.1:
--------------------------
2003-10-14  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * Released v0.7.2.

        * mkvmerge: bug fix: If 'no linking' and splitting was active
        mkvmerge would abort on the start of the second output file due to
        timecodes that were calculated incorrectly.

        * mkvmerge: Implemented some speedups for a couple of container
        formats and track types (mainly AVI reader, MP3/AC3/AAC
        packetizers). Especially noticeable when splitting is active as
        well.

2003-10-12  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mkvextract: bug fix: Support for extracting SBR AAC (previous
        'fix' did not actually fix this).

        * mkvextract: bug fix: All extracted subtitles where written to
        the first output file given, not to the one they were supposed to
        be written to.

2003-10-11  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mmg: bug fix: The 'abort' button was doing nothing under
        Windows.

2003-10-06  Moritz Bunkus  <moritz at bunkus.org>

        * mmg: bug fix: Audio, video and subtitle track selection was
        translated into the wrong command line options.

        * mkvmerge: Replaced the avilib based AVI reading functions with
        AVI classes from Cyrius.
-----------------------------

Have fun :)

-- 
 ==> Ciao, Mosu (Moritz Bunkus)


From paul at msn.com  Tue Oct 14 19:49:02 2003
From: paul at msn.com (Pamel)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2003 12:49:02 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] Website changes
Message-ID: <bmhct8$hvv$1@sea.gmane.org>

For some reason IE wasn't properly loading the font sizes from the CSS, although
Mozilla/Firebird worked fine.  I saw that changing:

<html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN">

to:

<html><!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN"
"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/transitional.dtd">

fixed the problem, so I made the update on every page on the website.  You may
notice that all of the fonts are smaller on pages other than the main specs.  To
make changes to the font size, just use the CSS now.

Also, when are we going to move the new downloads page over?  The old one is
horribly out of date and the new one is basically complete.


Pamel





From chris at matroska.org  Wed Oct 15 05:38:25 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:38:25 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] matroska goes Chinese ....
Message-ID: <3F8CC131.9010507@matroska.org>

http://forum.sharereactor.com/viewtopic.php?p=981053#981053



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Wed Oct 15 13:44:18 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:44:18 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Ooops, he did it again
Message-ID: <3F8D3312.8050907@free.fr>

http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/33397.html

"Gates also doesn't seem to have a lot of faith in 64 bit technologies 
in the consumer space. "64 bit is coming to desktops, there is no doubt 
about that," he said. "But apart from Photoshop, I can't think of 
desktop applications where you would need more than 4 gigabytes of 
physical memory""



From unixspinner at gmx.de  Wed Oct 15 23:33:25 2003
From: unixspinner at gmx.de (Ronny Pietschke)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2003 23:33:25 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mmg under Linux
Message-ID: <bmkef6$qi5$1@sea.gmane.org>

Hello

First, mmg works great.

The text field for "Chapter file" and "Tag file" in the global Tab are
marked as Readonly. So it can not delete it, after select a file.

This could be annoying if one something selected out-provided here.


Hopefull my selfmade ... mixed with google "Sprachtools" english, is
readable. :)

Ronny




From moritz at bunkus.org  Thu Oct 16 00:00:22 2003
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 00:00:22 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] mmg under Linux
In-Reply-To: <bmkef6$qi5$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <bmkef6$qi5$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <20031015220022.GQ1806@bunkus.org>

Hi.

> The text field for "Chapter file" and "Tag file" in the global Tab are
> marked as Readonly. So it can not delete it, after select a file.

Doh! Stupid mistake... I'll change that. Thanks.

-- 
 ==> Ciao, Mosu (Moritz Bunkus)


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Oct 16 10:07:54 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 10:07:54 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Matroska on ./
Message-ID: <3F8E51DA.1000302@free.fr>

http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/14/2124243&mode=thread&tid=137&tid=188&tid=198

That's the only thing I found about Matroska on ./




From paul at msn.com  Thu Oct 16 15:57:56 2003
From: paul at msn.com (Pamel)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:57:56 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Matroska on ./
References: <3F8E51DA.1000302@free.fr>
Message-ID: <bmm84t$rg1$1@sea.gmane.org>

"Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr> wrote...
>
http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/14/2124243&mode=thread&tid=137&tid=188&tid=198
>
> That's the only thing I found about Matroska on ./

But that was just two days ago.  Perhaps someone should go there and post some
informative comments?


Pamel





From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Oct 16 16:02:07 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 16:02:07 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Matroska on ./
In-Reply-To: <bmm84t$rg1$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <3F8E51DA.1000302@free.fr> <bmm84t$rg1$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <3F8EA4DF.8000400@free.fr>

Pamel wrote:

> "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr> wrote...
> 
> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/14/2124243&mode=thread&tid=137&tid=188&tid=198
> 
>>That's the only thing I found about Matroska on ./
> 
> 
> But that was just two days ago.  Perhaps someone should go there and post some
> informative comments?

As long as too much lies are not said, it's better if we don't put 
pressure everywhere :)



From chris at matroska.org  Thu Oct 16 22:23:26 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 22:23:26 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: Matroska on ./
In-Reply-To: <3F8EA4DF.8000400@free.fr>
References: <3F8E51DA.1000302@free.fr> <bmm84t$rg1$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<3F8EA4DF.8000400@free.fr>
Message-ID: <3F8EFE3E.8010203@matroska.org>

Steve Lhomme wrote:

> Pamel wrote:
>
>> "Steve Lhomme" <steve.lhomme at free.fr> wrote...
>>
>> http://ask.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/14/2124243&mode=thread&tid=137&tid=188&tid=198 
>>
>>
>>> That's the only thing I found about Matroska on ./
>>
>>
>>
>> But that was just two days ago.  Perhaps someone should go there and 
>> post some
>> informative comments?
>
>
> As long as too much lies are not said, it's better if we don't put 
> pressure everywhere :)

Too late guys, i m there already, but behaving well .... ;) ....

Christian



From chris at matroska.org  Sun Oct 19 03:05:20 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 03:05:20 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] codec survey ... matroska is on the list of
 possible containers already !!!
Message-ID: <3F91E350.6090008@matroska.org>

http://members.home.nl/o.klaver/onderzoek.html

BBB, you have to fill this in !! I am sure you are the only company 
right now who are using MKV already ;) ...

Christian



From chris at matroska.org  Mon Oct 20 10:42:24 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 10:42:24 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Public poll on Doom9 about hardware support for
	matroska
Message-ID: <3F939FF0.8020608@matroska.org>


Hi guys,

this poll here was discussed with Doom9 before, and approved by him :

http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=63599

Lets see how many interested users we have for that, and what it would 
be worth to them :) ! This poll will be used in my constraints to get 
proper hardware support for matroska.

Christian



From chris at matroska.org  Mon Oct 20 18:43:41 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 18:43:41 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] matroska excluded from Gordian Knot 0.29 Alpha
Message-ID: <3F9410BD.3070300@matroska.org>


Hi guys,

just so you know, Toni 'len0x' , the main developer of the Gordian Knot, 
has informed me that he will not add MKV support in the upcoming public 
alpha release of Gordian Knot, because there is still no working 
overhead formula / code he could use. The release is due in about 5 
days, and we are invited to give him anything of value until then.

I guess i dont need to tell you all how important this would have been 
for us. I was recommending to him to simply use the AVI overhead 
calculation, as both are close in most cases and MKV is always a little 
bit smaller ( of course, only when the AVI is muxed with Virtualdub, not 
with AVImux-GUI ;-) ) .... he said he will consider to do that, but 
didnt give me any confirmation if its possible.

If anybody has a good idea how we can solve this problem, please shout 
LOUD !

Christian



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Oct 20 19:36:13 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:36:13 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] matroska excluded from Gordian Knot 0.29 Alpha
In-Reply-To: <3F9410BD.3070300@matroska.org>
References: <3F9410BD.3070300@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <3F941D0D.3040904@free.fr>

Christian HJ Wiesner wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> just so you know, Toni 'len0x' , the main developer of the Gordian Knot, 
> has informed me that he will not add MKV support in the upcoming public 
> alpha release of Gordian Knot, because there is still no working 
> overhead formula / code he could use. The release is due in about 5 
> days, and we are invited to give him anything of value until then.

Let's make him remove MKV and we'll see what his users say about his 
programming will... As a user of GKnot I consider that an aweful 
attitude towards the users and the third party developpers.



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Wed Oct 22 10:27:51 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 10:27:51 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Another CPU
Message-ID: <3F963F87.9010808@free.fr>

...that could handle Matroska very well :
http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=4269

This time you could record DivX in Matroska on-the-fly !!!



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Wed Oct 22 12:33:57 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2003 12:33:57 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] HydrogenAudio is down
Message-ID: <3F965D15.8090300@free.fr>

!!!

http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/

Due to hosting costs ?



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Oct 23 10:29:23 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2003 10:29:23 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Interresting device/alliance
Message-ID: <3F979163.2090406@free.fr>

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.asp?RelatedID=4274

A stereo that can download music on the net (and runs Linux).
More Linux in such devices is good for us :)



From chris at matroska.org  Fri Oct 24 16:05:15 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 16:05:15 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-general] Re: XML ---> EBML ( binary XML ) ---> XML lib in
	C, for starters
In-Reply-To: <E1AD1qQ-0000to-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>
References: <E1AD1qQ-0000to-00@sc8-sf-web2.sourceforge.net>
Message-ID: <3F99319B.7020004@matroska.org>

Hi Kris,

thanks a lot for your offer, you would be more than welcome in the team 
!! Are you used to be on IRC already ? Most of our development work 
communication is done either on the mailing lists ( see 
http://www.matroska.org , contact section on how to subscribe ) or on 
our IRC channel at irc.corecodec.com #matroska. on http://mirc.com you 
get a nice IRC client for Windows, X-chat is used a lot on Linux IIRC.

Looking forward to see you on IRC, where we can discuss exactly with the 
developers on how to proceed ! In the meantime, you could try to browse 
the matroska specs on our homepage, but dont worry, you dont need to 
understand it all at once to be able to help us :) !

Regards

Christian
matroska project admin

kris wrote:

>Hi, 
>
>    I would like to be actively involved with Matroska as a C 
>
>developer, I have some experience in C, but its been more 
>
>than couple of years since I Worked on it and it would be 
>
>great way to improve my skills by working on Matroska 
>
>project. I look forward to working with this team, let me know 
>
>if you are interested.
>
>
>
>Thank you.
>
>  
>




From christian at matroska.org  Fri Oct 31 15:06:43 2003
From: christian at matroska.org (ChristianHJW)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:06:43 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: VideoLAN at the 5th Free Software days in
	Lyons (France)]
Message-ID: <3FA26C73.10702@matroska.org>

And matroska is not there :O !

robux4 ! cyrius ! Blacksun ! Toff ! Those exhibitions are the typical 
place to find attractive jobs and a new, nice boss ;) ....

Christian

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: VideoLAN at the 5th Free Software days in Lyons (France)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:52:44 +0100
From: Alexis de Lattre <alexis at videolan.org>
Reply-To: videolan-announce at videolan.org
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.video.videolan.announce


VideoLAN will be present at the 5th Journ?es du Livre (Free Software
days) in Lyons, France. This event will take place on Friday October
31st and Saturday November 1st (9h - 18h) at the ISTIL school on the
campus of La Doua.

Sam, Thomas and Alexis will present a demo of the streaming solution on
the VideoLAN booth. Thomas will also give a conference about the results
of his sociological study of the VideoLAN project on Saturday (14h -
15h).

Information about the event:

[FR] http://www.aldil.org/agenda/journees/2003/

Description of Thomas Basset's conference:

[FR] http://www.aldil.org/agenda/journees/2003/cv_basset.html

Thomas Basset's master report:

[FR] http://thomas.basset.free.fr/dea.php

We hope to meet some of you there!

For the VideoLAN team,

-- 
Alexis




From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Oct 31 15:13:11 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:13:11 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] [Fwd: VideoLAN at the 5th Free Software days
	in	Lyons (France)]
In-Reply-To: <3FA26C73.10702@matroska.org>
References: <3FA26C73.10702@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <3FA26DF7.8010203@free.fr>

ChristianHJW wrote:

> And matroska is not there :O !
> 
> robux4 ! cyrius ! Blacksun ! Toff ! Those exhibitions are the typical 
> place to find attractive jobs and a new, nice boss ;) ....

If you had told me before and if it wasn't my mother's birthday, I would 
have gone there...



From chris at matroska.org  Fri Oct 31 16:40:10 2003
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:40:10 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] The near future of matroska - where do we go now
	?
Message-ID: <3FA2825A.9020009@matroska.org>



Hi guys,

i thought it time to hear your opinion about where we go with matroska 
in the near future. Here the open issues i see today :

- vobsub in mkv ( solved soon, muxing done, VLC/Mplayer playback done )

- vobsub playback on DirectShow ( Gabest :D ? )

- MPEG1/2 video in MKV

- MPEG1/2 video playback on DirectShow, mplayer and VLC

- Native MPEG4 MKV files encoding

- Native MPEG4 MKV files transmuxing from AVI/OGM, using sysKin's frame 
reader code

- USF in MKV

- Hardware support ( C parser library )

- Hardware profiles  ( together with Stefan )

- FFMPEG / libavcodec / Xine support ( C parser library )

- MPC SV8 support ?

- FLAC support

- Wavpack ( lossy/lossless audio codec ) support

- Theora video support

- Quicktime / Sorenson support ?? ( if ever )

- Control Tracks

- Menues

- Codec State ( resizing in the middle of the stream etc. )

Did i forget anything ??? If i didnt forget anything ..... this is 
actually enough for one year of work maybe, but what do we do after that 
:-) ??? Any ideas ?

Lets do a kind of brainstorming here on the list guys, tell me what you 
think ...

I still feel matroska needed an opensource video encoder/editor tool 
that was not based on Virtualdub like VirtualdubMod, such that handling 
of the MKVs based on timestamps would be possible. But, this would mean 
a lot of work, and a lot of help from new devs we needed to bring on 
board. We could maybe steal the codec API from the new upcoming FFMPEG 
0.5.x release, and the container API from mplayer G2, as suggested by 
Alex Bergeraszi from the mplayer core dev team. Still, it will take us a 
long while until we even had the same functionality as avs2matroska from 
DaveEL, this congenial tool that unfortunately never was finished, if we 
imply that we had to include means to use xvid.dll dynamically instead 
of statically, to avoid license problems.

Its brainstorming time ..... let your ideas flow .... and use the 'reply 
all' button on your mail client in any case ;) ...

Christian




From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Oct 31 16:48:32 2003
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 16:48:32 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] The near future of matroska - where do we
	go now	?
In-Reply-To: <3FA2825A.9020009@matroska.org>
References: <3FA2825A.9020009@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <3FA28450.2070900@free.fr>

Christian HJ Wiesner wrote:

> Hi guys,
> 
> i thought it time to hear your opinion about where we go with matroska 
> in the near future. Here the open issues i see today :
> 
> - vobsub in mkv ( solved soon, muxing done, VLC/Mplayer playback done )

...

> - Menues
> 
> - Codec State ( resizing in the middle of the stream etc. )
> 
> Did i forget anything ??? If i didnt forget anything ..... this is 
> actually enough for one year of work maybe, but what do we do after that 
> :-) ??? Any ideas ?

Streaming / Broadcasting / Multicasting over TCP, HTTP and UDP.



From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Oct 31 18:07:30 2003
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 18:07:30 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-general] The near future of matroska - where do we go
	now ?
In-Reply-To: <3FA2825A.9020009@matroska.org>
References: <3FA2825A.9020009@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <20031031170730.GK13719@bunkus.org>

Hi.

> - Quicktime / Sorenson support ?? ( if ever )

I already have this working since two months. Playback with mplayer
works.

-- 
 ==> Ciao, Mosu (Moritz Bunkus)


From jcsston at toughguy.net  Fri Oct 31 18:09:32 2003
From: jcsston at toughguy.net (Jory)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 11:09:32 -0600
Subject: [Matroska-general] The near future of matroska - where do we go
	now?
References: <3FA2825A.9020009@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <001c01c39fd1$cd23c2c0$0200a8c0@jcsston>

> - FLAC support
> 

FLAC is already supported via the FLAC DShow En/Decoder filters.
http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?showtopic=13921

Jory