From cwiesner at matroska.org  Wed Jan  5 20:18:47 2011
From: cwiesner at matroska.org (Christian Wiesner)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 20:18:47 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Fwd: [Matroska-users] MKV EBML lacing questions.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim2dHFwyQjVFUj-n1wdUWy-UW+Vd_LkDzKCBh87@mail.gmail.com>
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Forwarding this question to matroska-devel , where it belongs.
CW, matroska admin

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Dan Wright <oodsphere at gmail.com>
Date: 2011/1/5
Subject: [Matroska-users] MKV EBML lacing questions.
To: matroska-users at lists.matroska.org


I'm working on an MKV writer and an MKV parser, and I'm trying to add lacing
support.  I'm using the MKV specs at
http://matroska.org/technical/specs/index.html.  As such, I've got a couple
of questions about the EBML lacing method.  Having run fruitless searches on
Google and on these mailing lists, here are my questions:

1.  It looks like EBML lacing use "one's complement" for its lacing sizes.
Is this correct?  It seems a little non-standard, especially since, earlier
in the spec, it is evident that the signed integer data element type uses
the much more common "two's complement" (e.g. -2 = 0xFE).

2.  The example for EBML lacing uses an example where the first frame is 800
bytes, the second 500, and the third 1000.  The spec example claims:

"Lacing sizes: only the 2 first ones will be coded, 800 gives 0x320 + 0x4000
= 0x4320, 500 is coded as -300 : - 0x12C + 0x1FFF + 0x4000 = 0x5ED3. The
size of the last frame is deduced from the total size of the Block."

Now, I'm fine with encoding 800 as 0x4320, but encoding -300 as 0x5ED3
leaves me with a problem.  If I were decoding 0x5ED3, the first bit
encountered after the EBML size-bits is a 0, leading me to interpret the
value as positive, getting 7891 instead of -300.  Assuming a one's
complement system, shouldn't this value actually be 0x7ED3 so that the most
significant digit after the EBML size-bits is a 1?  Or am I missing
something obvious?

Thanks for any help!



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From smeulf at hotmail.fr  Wed Jan  5 21:22:50 2011
From: smeulf at hotmail.fr (Smeulf)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 21:22:50 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Haali and forced subtitles
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Hello everyone,

I have a simple question : does Haali supports ?Forced Track? for subtitles ?

If yes, can you give me some tips to make it work correctly with DirectVboSub ?

If no, do you plan to add the function, and do you know when ?

Bests regards.

Smeulf.
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From sjimeno at ya.com  Thu Jan  6 00:01:45 2011
From: sjimeno at ya.com (Santiago Jimeno)
Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:01:45 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] CodecSpecs
In-Reply-To: <70687C4D12394813AA157830486C2BDD@JSASUS>
References: <70687C4D12394813AA157830486C2BDD@JSASUS>
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I have not received any answer, so in accordance with my investigations I inform of that gotten for if this can help somebody. I to think that the data of CodecSpecs should be edited again with the purpose that they were more explicit.

AC3 and EAC3 in SymplyBlock (A3): follow ATSC a_52 - 2010 specifications. My error is that I waited that audio code was in the first track of the cluster, but it doesn't always happen this way.

Quicktime in Private data: follows MP4 specifications of stsd atom. But QDMC from AudioSampleEntry with size (4 bytes) and format (4 char) before, and QDM2 from frma box (52 bytes later).

DTS in SymplyBlock (A3): adds the whole header with included syncword (HD also).

New problem:  MLP and TrueHd
MLP: includes complete Header in SymplyBlock. But it doesn't add more data than the content in TrackEntry. 
TrueHd:  impossible for my to find the relationship between the data of SymplyBlock and the specifications.
Any suggestion about this?
Does somebody have an audio sample of TrueHd?

Regards. Santiago

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Santiago Jimeno 
  To: matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org 
  Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2010 12:38 PM
  Subject: [Matroska-devel] CodecSpecs


  I am writing a program that reads information of audio files. Also it reads and writes the diverse Tags. It is centered specifically in the audio information. Now I am working with Matroska.

  As for audio information, specifications in CodecSpecs are quite clear in some cases (MPEG, Vorbis, MS/ACM, Flac, WavPack, etc)
  But in another cases it is not so well explained, although I have been able to write code:

  AAC-MP4: there it says that it is stripped from ADTS header. Really, in both cases of 2 or 5 bytes size it follows the specifications ISO-IEC 14496-1 Systems (AudioSpecificConfig). Another thing is that the first 2 bytes are common for ADTS and other formats.

  Real Audio: there is not information. Here, CodecPrivate follows the specifications of "MDPR" Media Properties -> Specific Data (audio/x-pn-realaudio or audio/x-pn-multirate-realaudio). Although in this case is contemplated the possibility of including "REAL/RALF" (Real Lossles), the specifications are possibly different: "audio/x-ralf-mpeg4-generic." But I have not been able to get the sample to study it with any program that encodes Matroska that I have been able to find.

  Maybe it would be interesting for other people to add this information in CodecSpecs

  Now the problems:
  AC3:  I have not been able to find in Block or CodecPrivate the mentioned Byte with fscod and frmsizecod data. 
  QuickTime:  In spite of their resemblance with AAC-MP4, I have not found the applied format to CodecPrivate data and CodecSpecs don't says anything about this.

  Can somebody inform me about these 2 problems?

  Now the suggestions:
  I miss the data of Bitrate and AudioSize. Apart of case when the codec specifies it (MPEG, MS/ACM) there is not bitrate information in any place. AudioSize can be easily calculated from bitrate. Also to the reverse, but then it would be necessary parsing all blocks.
  I know that it is not outstanding to decode the file but it is important for the information. There is not a place to write this information In the future? This can fill one byte or less inside of the big space filled for container Matroska 

  In a next message I will speak of my experience in Matroska Taging.

  Regards. Santiago


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From slhomme at matroska.org  Sun Jan  9 16:38:59 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:38:59 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Fwd: [Matroska-users] MKV EBML lacing questions.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimXCy9u+epUxUNQafM5CsMMP73PwzwwgFDuGuhT@mail.gmail.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org>
Date: Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [Matroska-users] MKV EBML lacing questions.
To: "Questions, help, instructions, talk about Matroska"
<matroska-users at lists.matroska.org>


The "EBML" lacing is a little different than the EBML encoding of
integers in the rest of Matroska. This time it is signed.

Here is some simple code that does this little trick for you. It takes
the regular EBML value that is coded and then remove the offset
dependings on the size of the buffer (in your case 2).

filepos_t EBML_ReadCodedSizeSignedValue(const uint8_t *InBuffer,
size_t *BufferSize, filepos_t *SizeUnknown)
{
filepos_t Result = EBML_ReadCodedSizeValue(InBuffer, BufferSize, SizeUnknown);

if (*BufferSize != 0)
{
switch (*BufferSize)
{
case 1:
Result -= 63;
break;
case 2:
Result -= 8191;
break;
case 3:
Result -= 1048575L;
break;
case 4:
Result -= 134217727L;
break;
}
}

return Result;
}


On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:16 PM, Dan Wright <oodsphere at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm working on an MKV writer and an MKV parser, and I'm trying to add lacing
> support.? I'm using the MKV specs at
> http://matroska.org/technical/specs/index.html.? As such, I've got a couple
> of questions about the EBML lacing method.? Having run fruitless searches on
> Google and on these mailing lists, here are my questions:
>
> 1.? It looks like EBML lacing use "one's complement" for its lacing sizes.
> Is this correct?? It seems a little non-standard, especially since, earlier
> in the spec, it is evident that the signed integer data element type uses
> the much more common "two's complement" (e.g. -2 = 0xFE).
>
> 2.? The example for EBML lacing uses an example where the first frame is 800
> bytes, the second 500, and the third 1000.? The spec example claims:
>
> "Lacing sizes: only the 2 first ones will be coded, 800 gives 0x320 + 0x4000
> = 0x4320, 500 is coded as -300 : - 0x12C + 0x1FFF + 0x4000 = 0x5ED3. The
> size of the last frame is deduced from the total size of the Block."
>
> Now, I'm fine with encoding 800 as 0x4320, but encoding -300 as 0x5ED3
> leaves me with a problem.? If I were decoding 0x5ED3, the first bit
> encountered after the EBML size-bits is a 0, leading me to interpret the
> value as positive, getting 7891 instead of -300.? Assuming a one's
> complement system, shouldn't this value actually be 0x7ED3 so that the most
> significant digit after the EBML size-bits is a 1?? Or am I missing
> something obvious?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-users mailing list
> Matroska-users at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-users
> Read Matroska-Users on GMane:
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.matroska.user
>
>



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From moritz at bunkus.org  Sun Jan  9 18:33:20 2011
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Sun, 09 Jan 2011 18:33:20 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] CodecSpecs
In-Reply-To: <9E96E6EDEA244B1AB0915DE7E5C15E3C@JSASUS>
References: <70687C4D12394813AA157830486C2BDD@JSASUS>
	<9E96E6EDEA244B1AB0915DE7E5C15E3C@JSASUS>
Message-ID: <fbbe4809275a835845677c95ce2d23f7@iella>

Hey,

On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:01:45 +0100, "Santiago Jimeno" <sjimeno at ya.com>
wrote:

> AC3 and EAC3 in SymplyBlock (A3): follow ATSC a_52 - 2010
> specifications. My error is that I waited that audio code was in the
> first track of the cluster, but it doesn't always happen this way.

Yes.

> Quicktime in Private data: follows MP4 specifications of stsd atom.
> But QDMC from AudioSampleEntry with size (4 bytes) and format (4 char)
> before, and QDM2 from frma box (52 bytes later).

Sounds about right.

> DTS in SymplyBlock (A3): adds the whole header with included syncword
> (HD also).

True.

> New problem:  MLP and TrueHd
> MLP: includes complete Header in SymplyBlock. But it doesn't add more
> data than the content in TrackEntry.
> TrueHd:  impossible for my to find the relationship between the data
> of SymplyBlock and the specifications.

MLP and TrueHD are handled the same way. They contain the whole header
in the blocks.

> Does somebody have an audio sample of TrueHd?

http://www.bunkus.org/mtx-test-data/vob/vc1_truehd_eac3.evo contains
TrueHD and EAC3 audio tracks. If you don't know how to demux the TrueHD
track from it then merge with mkvmerge and extract the TrueHD track from
the resulting Matroska file with mkvextract.

Regards,
mosu



From sjimeno at ya.com  Mon Jan 10 02:24:08 2011
From: sjimeno at ya.com (Santiago Jimeno)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 02:24:08 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] CodecSpecs
In-Reply-To: <fbbe4809275a835845677c95ce2d23f7@iella>
References: <70687C4D12394813AA157830486C2BDD@JSASUS><9E96E6EDEA244B1AB0915DE7E5C15E3C@JSASUS>
	<fbbe4809275a835845677c95ce2d23f7@iella>
Message-ID: <61F3FB3DD13D4663B794A98249EFD8E4@JSASUS>

Thank you Moritz for the answer

Regarding MLP-TrueHD, I made what you tell me in your e-mail, but without 
success.
MLP contain in the blocks the whole header beginning with F8726FBB, but 
TrueHd doesn't contain the first 4 bytes of the header (F8726FBA).
And supposing that the first bytes of the file or the block are part of the 
header (stripped), it doesn't coincide with the data given before by MKV 
file in TrackEntry.
On the other hand the header format of both, although similar, is not same. 
Maybe I have mistaken the data of TrueHd header format.

The samples that I am using are:
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/TrueHD/TrueHD%20Sample%201%20(Final%20Fantasy%20VII%20Advent%20Children).mkv
http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/TrueHD/TrueHD%20Sample%202%20(Evangelion%201.11%20You%20Are%20(Not)%20Alone).mkv

I have observed that you with Mkvtool can calculate the duration of 
MLP-TrueHd audio file to make the MKA file.
It has been impossible for my to calculate the duration with the data 
provided by the original audio file.
Would you be able to help me in this?

Regards. Santiago

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Moritz Bunkus" <moritz at bunkus.org>
To: "Discussion about the current and future development of Matroska" 
<matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Matroska-devel] CodecSpecs


> Hey,
>
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2011 00:01:45 +0100, "Santiago Jimeno" <sjimeno at ya.com>
> wrote:
>
>> AC3 and EAC3 in SymplyBlock (A3): follow ATSC a_52 - 2010
>> specifications. My error is that I waited that audio code was in the
>> first track of the cluster, but it doesn't always happen this way.
>
> Yes.
>
>> Quicktime in Private data: follows MP4 specifications of stsd atom.
>> But QDMC from AudioSampleEntry with size (4 bytes) and format (4 char)
>> before, and QDM2 from frma box (52 bytes later).
>
> Sounds about right.
>
>> DTS in SymplyBlock (A3): adds the whole header with included syncword
>> (HD also).
>
> True.
>
>> New problem:  MLP and TrueHd
>> MLP: includes complete Header in SymplyBlock. But it doesn't add more
>> data than the content in TrackEntry.
>> TrueHd:  impossible for my to find the relationship between the data
>> of SymplyBlock and the specifications.
>
> MLP and TrueHD are handled the same way. They contain the whole header
> in the blocks.
>
>> Does somebody have an audio sample of TrueHd?
>
> http://www.bunkus.org/mtx-test-data/vob/vc1_truehd_eac3.evo contains
> TrueHD and EAC3 audio tracks. If you don't know how to demux the TrueHD
> track from it then merge with mkvmerge and extract the TrueHD track from
> the resulting Matroska file with mkvextract.
>
> Regards,
> mosu
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-devel
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> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.matroska.devel
> 




From moritz at bunkus.org  Mon Jan 10 09:22:47 2011
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2011 09:22:47 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] CodecSpecs
In-Reply-To: <61F3FB3DD13D4663B794A98249EFD8E4@JSASUS>
References: <70687C4D12394813AA157830486C2BDD@JSASUS>
	<fbbe4809275a835845677c95ce2d23f7@iella>
	<61F3FB3DD13D4663B794A98249EFD8E4@JSASUS>
Message-ID: <201101100922.50691.moritz@bunkus.org>

Hey,

On Monday 10 January 2011 02:24:08 Santiago Jimeno wrote:

> Regarding MLP-TrueHD, I made what you tell me in your e-mail, but without
> success.
> MLP contain in the blocks the whole header beginning with F8726FBB, but
> TrueHd doesn't contain the first 4 bytes of the header (F8726FBA).

My guess is that you don't take header removal compression into account
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/faq.html#header_removal_compression

The code in mkvmerge is the same for MLP and TrueHD. In fact, it's the
same source file with very few conditional code for distinction between
MLP/TrueHD.

> The samples that I am using are:
> http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/TrueHD/TrueHD%20Sample%201%20(Final%20
> Fantasy%20VII%20Advent%20Children).mkv
> http://samples.mplayerhq.hu/A-codecs/TrueHD/TrueHD%20Sample%202%20(Evangel
> ion%201.11%20You%20Are%20(Not)%20Alone).mkv

Ok those do not use header removal compression. Interesting. Let's see:

[0 mbunkus at ls-bs-ws4 ~/dl] mkvinfo -v -v TrueHD\ Sample\ 1\ \(Final\ Fantasy\ 
VII\ Advent\ Children\).mkv| grep 'track number 2' | head -n 1
| + SimpleBlock (track number 2, 1 frame(s), timecode 0.000s = 00:00:00.000) 
at 154845

So the very first audio track's frame starts at position 154845 in the
file. Using a hex editor the bytes are really not the sync word. This
could be a bug in mkvmerge. I'll try to investigate this sometime this
week.

> I have observed that you with Mkvtool can calculate the duration of
> MLP-TrueHd audio file to make the MKA file.
> It has been impossible for my to calculate the duration with the data
> provided by the original audio file.
> Would you be able to help me in this?

I don't have time to explain (I'm at work), but all the relevant code is
in these two files:

http://www.bunkus.org/cgi-
bin/gitweb.cgi?p=mkvtoolnix.git;a=blob;f=src/output/p_truehd.cpp;h=7562d0604c9103ec37d18300f76a925a8d11a737;hb=HEAD
http://www.bunkus.org/cgi-
bin/gitweb.cgi?p=mkvtoolnix.git;a=blob;f=src/common/truehd.cpp;h=aad48c34055b5cfbd5bdae2ce8f76b7311bc98c3;hb=HEAD

Regards,
Mosu
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From mike.moman at gmail.com  Wed Jan 12 20:02:33 2011
From: mike.moman at gmail.com (Michael Moman)
Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2011 12:02:33 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-devel] mka for radio practicality
Message-ID: <AANLkTimMFikFyK7K1-ndiU-Yn37O2eZUz51H--S-PgZU@mail.gmail.com>

Hey there,

I'm just looking into the .mka files and wanted to look into the
possibilities of this being a substitute for the current audio and database
system that radio stations around the world are currently using... would the
mka files be able to contain all that database information yet still be
functional on stand alone players that aren't looking for that infor?

essentially this might be a great step in developing a superior music player
program for stations with keeping track of when songs were played, what kind
of endings, cue times, etc etc...

this would be a fun project to propose to my group.

Mike Moman
Director of Awesome
me at mikemoman.com
403-389-9980
www.mikemoman.com
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From slhomme at matroska.org  Sat Jan 15 14:06:56 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:06:56 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] mka for radio practicality
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimMFikFyK7K1-ndiU-Yn37O2eZUz51H--S-PgZU@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimMFikFyK7K1-ndiU-Yn37O2eZUz51H--S-PgZU@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin3fTS35zu-32ok-nDaWEYLmr6WMjT7fRn2nHth@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Michael,

Yes Matroska is very well suited for that. It has an extensive (and
extensible) tagging system. And the design of Matroska also makes it
possible to introduce extra "proprietary" information without
affecting playback at all.

Unfortunately the tagging system is not used much now. But it has
always been the goal to make it widespread for exactly the kind of use
you want to do.

Steve

On Wed, Jan 12, 2011 at 8:02 PM, Michael Moman <mike.moman at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> I'm just looking into the .mka files and wanted to look into the
> possibilities of this being a substitute for the current audio and database
> system that radio stations around the world are currently using... would the
> mka files be able to contain all that database information yet still be
> functional on stand alone players that aren't looking for that infor?
>
> essentially this might be a great step in developing a superior music player
> program for stations with keeping track of when songs were played, what kind
> of endings, cue times, etc etc...
>
> this would be a fun project to propose to my group.
> Mike Moman
> Director of Awesome
> me at mikemoman.com
> 403-389-9980
> www.mikemoman.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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From szt0922 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 22:50:18 2011
From: szt0922 at gmail.com (szt0922 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:50:18 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Compiling libebml with MinGW+MSYS
Message-ID: <AANLkTincetth1VA1HB0pk+AWdGJABC=TDmq9hQ_648iP@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'd like to use libebml for a project I'm working on (so it's not really
related to Matroska, but since it's a part of Matroska, I think somebody can
help me here). I'm using the latest MinGW with MSYS under Windows 7. I've
modified the original makefile in libebml\make\mingw32, but all I did is to
change the lib and include dirs from:

LIBS =  -L"D:/DEV-CPP/lib"
INCS =  -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"  -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include/c++"
-I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"  -I"D:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/mingw32"

to

LIBS =  -L"D:/DEV-CPP/lib"
INCS =  -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"  -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include/c++"
-I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"  -I"D:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/mingw32".

Then, I gave it a try, and failed:

$ make -f makefile.mak
g++.exe -c ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp -o ../../src/EbmlBinary.o
-I"C:/MinGW/includ
e" -I"C:/dev/libebml"
In file included from
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/stl
_algo.h:61:0,
                 from
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/algorith
m:63,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:43,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:138,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:45,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/algorithmfwd.h:358:41:
er
ror: macro "min" passed 3 arguments, but takes just 2
In file included from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:43:0,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:45,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/c/libebml_t.h:111:13: error: 'u_int64_t' does not name a
typ
e
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/c/libebml_t.h:112:13: error: 'u_int32_t' does not name a
typ
e
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/c/libebml_t.h:113:13: error: 'u_int16_t' does not name a
typ
e
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/c/libebml_t.h:114:13: error: 'u_int8_t' does not name a
type

C:/dev/libebml/ebml/c/libebml_t.h:118:9: error: 'uint8' does not name a type
In file included from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:45:0,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:48:9: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:49:9: error: 'uint8' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:65:9: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
In file included from
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/stl
_algo.h:61:0,
                 from
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/algorith
m:63,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:43,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:138,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:45,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/algorithmfwd.h:354:5:
err
or: expected unqualified-id before 'const'
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/algorithmfwd.h:354:5:
err
or: expected ')' before 'const'
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/algorithmfwd.h:354:5:
err
or: expected ')' before 'const'
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/algorithmfwd.h:354:5:
err
or: expected initializer before 'const'
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/algorithmfwd.h:358:5:
err
or: template declaration of 'const _Tp& std::min'
In file included from
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/algorith
m:63:0,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:43,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:138,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:45,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/stl_algo.h: In
function '
void std::__merge_sort_loop(_RandomAccessIterator1, _RandomAccessIterator1,
_Ran
domAccessIterator2, _Distance)':
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/stl_algo.h:3172:26:
error
: expected unqualified-id before '(' token
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/stl_algo.h: In
function '
void std::__merge_sort_loop(_RandomAccessIterator1, _RandomAccessIterator1,
_Ran
domAccessIterator2, _Distance, _Compare)':
c:\mingw\bin\../lib/gcc/mingw32/4.5.2/include/c++/bits/stl_algo.h:3202:26:
error
: expected unqualified-id before '(' token
In file included from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:138:0,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:45,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h: At global scope:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:70:29: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:70:37: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of 'e
ndian_buffer' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:77:19: error: 'binary' has not been
declared
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:86:31: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:86:39: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of 'b
uffer' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h: In member function 'void
libebml::Endian<TYPE,
 ENDIAN>::process_endian()':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:33: error: expected type-specifier
before '
uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:33: error: expected '>' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:33: error: expected '(' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:33: error: 'uint8' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:39: error: expected primary-expression
befo
re '>' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:73: error: expected type-specifier
before '
uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:73: error: expected '>' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:73: error: expected '(' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:79: error: expected primary-expression
befo
re '>' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:100:98: error: expected ')' before ';'
token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h: In member function 'void
libebml::Endian<TYPE,
 ENDIAN>::process_platform()':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:33: error: expected type-specifier
before '
uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:33: error: expected '>' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:33: error: expected '(' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:33: error: 'uint8' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:39: error: expected primary-expression
befo
re '>' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:75: error: expected type-specifier
before '
uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:75: error: expected '>' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:75: error: expected '(' before 'uint8'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:81: error: expected primary-expression
befo
re '>' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlEndian.h:112:102: error: expected ')' before ';'
token
In file included from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:45:0,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h: At global scope:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:142:9: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:147:16: error: 'uint16' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:147:36: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:147:48: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:148:16: error: 'uint32' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:148:36: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:148:48: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:149:16: error: 'uint64' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:149:36: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:149:48: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:153:16: error: 'uint16' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:153:33: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:153:48: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:154:16: error: 'uint32' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:154:33: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:154:48: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:155:16: error: 'uint64' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:155:33: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:155:48: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:156:16: error: 'uint32' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:156:33: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:156:46: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:157:16: error: 'bits80' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:157:33: error: template argument 1 is
invalid
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlTypes.h:157:48: error: invalid type in declaration
befor
e ';' token
In file included from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:43:0,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:46,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:51:3: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:54:16: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:54:31: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of
'aValu
e' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:65:16: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:65:23: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of
'aValu
e' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:73:20: error: 'binary' has not been declared
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h: In constructor 'libebml::EbmlId::EbmlId(const
int*
, unsigned int)':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:57:4: error: 'Value' was not declared in this
scope

C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h: In constructor 'libebml::EbmlId::EbmlId(int,
unsig
ned int)':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:66:5: error: class 'libebml::EbmlId' does not
have
any field named 'Value'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h: In member function 'bool
libebml::EbmlId::operator
==(const libebml::EbmlId&) const':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:70:49: error: 'const class libebml::EbmlId' has
no
member named 'Value'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:70:58: error: 'Value' was not declared in this
scop
e
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h: In member function 'void
libebml::EbmlId::Fill(int
*) const':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlId.h:76:18: error: 'Value' was not declared in this
scop
e
In file included from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:44:0,
                 from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:46,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/IOCallback.h: At global scope:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/IOCallback.h:64:10: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/IOCallback.h:79:10: error: 'uint64' does not name a type
In file included from C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:46:0,
                 from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:122:21: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:122:28: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of
'aDefaultSize' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:129:120: error: 'uint64' has not been
declared

C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:130:100: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:130:107: error: ISO C++ forbids
declaration of
 'MaxDataSize' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:135:57: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:135:64: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of
'MaxDataSize' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:146:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:148:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:150:3: error: 'uint32' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:152:11: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:153:11: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:155:11: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:175:3: error: 'uint8' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:181:18: error: 'uint64' has not been
declared
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:183:3: error: 'uint32' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:188:3: error: 'uint32' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:197:37: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:197:44: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of
'aDefaultSize' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:202:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:203:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:207:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:208:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:219:3: error: 'uint32' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:220:3: error: 'uint32' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:225:11: error: 'uint32' does not name a
type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h: In member function 'virtual void
libebml::Ebm
lElement::SetDefaultSize(int)':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlElement.h:197:59: error: 'DefaultSize' was not
declared
in this scope
In file included from ../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:42:0:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h: At global scope:
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:62:3: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:63:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:64:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:66:24: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:66:32: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of 'B
uffer' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:66:46: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:66:53: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of 'B
ufferSize' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:72:3: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:74:25: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:74:33: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of 'B
uffer' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:74:47: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:74:54: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of 'B
ufferSize' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:83:3: error: 'uint64' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:84:18: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration
of 't
ype name' with no type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:84:3: error: 'operator const int' does not
name
 a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:91:3: error: 'binary' does not name a type
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h: In member function 'void
libebml::EbmlBinary::
SetBuffer(const int*, int)':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:67:4: error: 'Data' was not declared in
this sc
ope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:67:12: error: 'binary' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:67:20: error: expected primary-expression
befor
e ')' token
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:67:22: error: expected ';' before 'Buffer'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:68:4: error: 'Size' was not declared in
this sc
ope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h: In member function 'void
libebml::EbmlBinary::
CopyBuffer(const int*, int)':
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:75:8: error: 'Data' was not declared in
this sc
ope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:76:12: error: type '<type error>' argument
give
n to 'delete', expected pointer
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:77:4: error: 'Data' was not declared in
this sc
ope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:77:15: error: expected type-specifier
before 'b
inary'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:77:15: error: expected ';' before 'binary'
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:78:35: error: 'memcpy' was not declared in
this
 scope
C:/dev/libebml/ebml/EbmlBinary.h:79:4: error: 'Size' was not declared in
this sc
ope
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp: In constructor
'libebml::EbmlBinary::EbmlBinary()':
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:47:26: error: class 'libebml::EbmlBinary' does not
have
 any field named 'Data'
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp: In constructor
'libebml::EbmlBinary::EbmlBinary(const
libebml::EbmlElement&)':
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:54:19: error: class 'libebml::EbmlBinary' does not
have
 any field named 'Data'
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp: In destructor 'virtual
libebml::EbmlBinary::~EbmlBinar
y()':
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:60:5: error: 'Data' was not declared in this scope
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:61:12: error: type '<type error>' argument given to
'de
lete', expected pointer
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp: At global scope:
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:64:1: error: 'uint32' does not name a type
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:74:1: error: 'uint64' does not name a type
../../src/EbmlBinary.cpp:79:1: error: 'uint64' does not name a type
make: *** [../../src/EbmlBinary.o] Error 1

The sollution for this may be simple, but I can't seem to figure out. Maybe
the problem is that I'm using the latest development version of MinGW?

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
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From szt0922 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 22:52:33 2011
From: szt0922 at gmail.com (szt0922 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2011 06:52:33 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Compiling libebml with MinGW+MSYS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTincetth1VA1HB0pk+AWdGJABC=TDmq9hQ_648iP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTincetth1VA1HB0pk+AWdGJABC=TDmq9hQ_648iP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin_SYGysN3PN3xAByM-Nv70Ph3cBifPHZccnd7a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:50 AM, <szt0922 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> I'd like to use libebml for a project I'm working on (so it's not really
> related to Matroska, but since it's a part of Matroska, I think somebody can
> help me here). I'm using the latest MinGW with MSYS under Windows 7. I've
> modified the original makefile in libebml\make\mingw32, but all I did is to
> change the lib and include dirs from:
>
> LIBS =  -L"D:/DEV-CPP/lib"
> INCS =  -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"  -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include/c++"
> -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"  -I"D:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/mingw32"
> [...]
>

Sorry, actually, I messed up my previous message. These lines in the new
makefile are:

LIBS =  -L"C:/MinGW/lib"
INCS =  -I"C:/MinGW/include" -I"C:/dev/libebml"
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From slhomme at matroska.org  Mon Jan 24 20:13:15 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 20:13:15 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Compiling libebml with MinGW+MSYS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin_SYGysN3PN3xAByM-Nv70Ph3cBifPHZccnd7a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTincetth1VA1HB0pk+AWdGJABC=TDmq9hQ_648iP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin_SYGysN3PN3xAByM-Nv70Ph3cBifPHZccnd7a@mail.gmail.com>
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This is strange. Moritz Bunkus is compiling it with no problem for mkvmerge.

You should be able to build coremake from the repository and from
there using "coremake gcc_win32" it should produce working makefiles
for MinGW.

If you are starting a new project you should use libebml2/libmatroska2
which do the same thing as the old libs but in C. This produces less
error.

On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:52 PM,  <szt0922 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:50 AM, <szt0922 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> I'd like to use libebml for a project I'm working on (so it's not really
>> related to Matroska, but since it's a part of Matroska, I think somebody can
>> help me here). I'm using the latest MinGW with MSYS under Windows 7. I've
>> modified the original makefile in libebml\make\mingw32, but all I did is to
>> change the lib and include dirs from:
>>
>> LIBS =? -L"D:/DEV-CPP/lib"
>> INCS =? -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"? -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include/c++"
>> -I"D:/DEV-CPP/include"? -I"D:/Dev-Cpp/include/c++/mingw32"
>> [...]
>
> Sorry, actually, I messed up my previous message. These lines in the new
> makefile are:
>
> LIBS =? -L"C:/MinGW/lib"
> INCS =? -I"C:/MinGW/include" -I"C:/dev/libebml"
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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Matroska association Chairman


From szt0922 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 11:06:11 2011
From: szt0922 at gmail.com (szt0922 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 19:06:11 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Compiling libebml with MinGW+MSYS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinopaP7-wrPO3L9QH3UQrOydbwQxzsJCkTApQJ6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTincetth1VA1HB0pk+AWdGJABC=TDmq9hQ_648iP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin_SYGysN3PN3xAByM-Nv70Ph3cBifPHZccnd7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinopaP7-wrPO3L9QH3UQrOydbwQxzsJCkTApQJ6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=vAw19rvyjqkLn_W-_ggjN5HnfQ2bE=hD10Uu=@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for your reply.

I downloaded libebml-1.0.0, and I was able to compile it without any
problems. I don't really know what's going on, the latest version listed on
the EBML project page is 0.6.0, then I found 1.0.0 on the Matroska
repository, and then, there is already a libebml2.

For now, I'd just like to experiment with it. I'm using an XML-based format
to store various stuff in my project, but I'd like to move on to some kind
of binary format. After I become familiar with it, I'll move to libebml2.

(By the way, are you going to publish libebml2 source tarballs later on the
Matroska repository?)

Best regards,
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From slhomme at matroska.org  Tue Jan 25 11:08:04 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 11:08:04 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Compiling libebml with MinGW+MSYS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=vAw19rvyjqkLn_W-_ggjN5HnfQ2bE=hD10Uu=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTincetth1VA1HB0pk+AWdGJABC=TDmq9hQ_648iP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin_SYGysN3PN3xAByM-Nv70Ph3cBifPHZccnd7a@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM,  <szt0922 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for your reply.
>
> I downloaded libebml-1.0.0, and I was able to compile it without any
> problems. I don't really know what's going on, the latest version listed on
> the EBML project page is 0.6.0, then I found 1.0.0 on the Matroska
> repository, and then, there is already a libebml2.
>
> For now, I'd just like to experiment with it. I'm using an XML-based format
> to store various stuff in my project, but I'd like to move on to some kind
> of binary format. After I become familiar with it, I'll move to libebml2.
>
> (By the way, are you going to publish libebml2 source tarballs later on the
> Matroska repository?)

Yes, when it goes 1.0.0. The libebml2 part is actually stable &
reliable now. I just need to add some features to libmatroska2 so it
can go 1.0.0 too.

> Best regards,
>
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-devel mailing list
> Matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-devel
> Read Matroska-Devel on GMane:
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.matroska.devel
>



-- 
Steve Lhomme
Matroska association Chairman


From abraham4249 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 25 12:05:25 2011
From: abraham4249 at gmail.com (abraham)
Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:35:25 +0530
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Compiling libebml with MinGW+MSYS
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinMucGXcmJx6YYBrH6rrKbeUycGfdhrdiBLt1ED@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTincetth1VA1HB0pk+AWdGJABC=TDmq9hQ_648iP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTin_SYGysN3PN3xAByM-Nv70Ph3cBifPHZccnd7a@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinopaP7-wrPO3L9QH3UQrOydbwQxzsJCkTApQJ6@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=vAw19rvyjqkLn_W-_ggjN5HnfQ2bE=hD10Uu=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTinMucGXcmJx6YYBrH6rrKbeUycGfdhrdiBLt1ED@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimVKq-7pTmB2jYTR=80HM9whcHKo_O2kTUzw=Gv@mail.gmail.com>

hi guys,

i'm a student doing a project in AAC codec.

we r trying to improve its efficiency using Perceptual Noise Substitution
method, we need to get some hints as well as some papers from Audio Engg
Society.

can any one guide us..
hoping 4 de best..


abraham
cochin university of science & technology,
cochin-22

On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 3:38 PM, Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 11:06 AM,  <szt0922 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Thanks for your reply.
> >
> > I downloaded libebml-1.0.0, and I was able to compile it without any
> > problems. I don't really know what's going on, the latest version listed
> on
> > the EBML project page is 0.6.0, then I found 1.0.0 on the Matroska
> > repository, and then, there is already a libebml2.
> >
> > For now, I'd just like to experiment with it. I'm using an XML-based
> format
> > to store various stuff in my project, but I'd like to move on to some
> kind
> > of binary format. After I become familiar with it, I'll move to libebml2.
> >
> > (By the way, are you going to publish libebml2 source tarballs later on
> the
> > Matroska repository?)
>
> Yes, when it goes 1.0.0. The libebml2 part is actually stable &
> reliable now. I just need to add some features to libmatroska2 so it
> can go 1.0.0 too.
>
> > Best regards,
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Matroska-devel mailing list
> > Matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org
> > http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-devel
> > Read Matroska-Devel on GMane:
> > http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.matroska.devel
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Steve Lhomme
> Matroska association Chairman
> _______________________________________________
> Matroska-devel mailing list
> Matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org
> http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/matroska-devel
> Read Matroska-Devel on GMane:
> http://dir.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.matroska.devel
>



-- 
regards

Abraham Philip
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From kozlov.sergey.aleksandrovitch at gmail.com  Wed Jan 26 13:39:19 2011
From: kozlov.sergey.aleksandrovitch at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0KHQtdGA0LPQtdC5INCa0L7Qt9C70L7Qsg==?=)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 14:39:19 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Adding multiple output pins for each stream
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=p0_E0+W+hgaPGCkUu+iOAwMFu+eCEWYXxuBcE@mail.gmail.com>

Can you add multiple output pins for each stream?
I have got file with 1 video and 2 audio streams.
We have developed video player application to work with multiple streams
with wmv files.
I am developing the same for avi files.
To continue, i need same, as i have got for wmv splitter, for avi files.
Can you make it? Or is there any existed?

First file is screenshot with my graph for wmv file. I need to do the same
for avi file.
Second file contains modified by me WMVDemux filter.
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From slhomme at matroska.org  Sun Jan 30 16:01:18 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 16:01:18 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimE1oPCevdpY8mhxOQMTf=Rj2eXdYOqSDEp1jjP@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik3TeQoLbndrsegMwsytWoEQc_BDxkLu9p1cRS9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik0V1hukPiVXKwW_9Td_SsLQe6Xx5UH_XqiZKdC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimE1oPCevdpY8mhxOQMTf=Rj2eXdYOqSDEp1jjP@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1VS_x65GB2JT0r13kFbQbGcnT=dDhMSonoatj@mail.gmail.com>

I cc the official mailing list so that more people can take part in
the discussion.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there, i have seen this example and many more, and even got to the
> specifications and eve broke out the hex editor and started building a
> tag reader for Matroska....
>
> What i needed were the tags ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE and CONTENT_TYPE at
> http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/index.html so i can
> classify my videos and later build a MKV media library

So they are there. What is missing then ?

> I think you at Matroska need to set atleast some standards, or this
> contaier will decay as many others. I know it is mass used and all its
> "features" are great for me - but they are all just on paper, no app
> uses tags, and many more features MKV is capable of. Why is that? I
> would really appreciate few simple answers so i know is it worth it
> for me to build apps around MKV. By worth it i mean my time not money
> in any way, i love programing

Well the success of Matroska is not based on tags. In fact right now
nobody cares about tags. That's a PITA when you see so many
hardware/PCs acting as media centers and there is no proper way to
tell what file is what. This is precisely why tags exist in Matroska
but we don't make all these softwares, we can only propose the specs
and hope they will support it in a decent way. It worked for other
Matroska features so hopefully it should work with that one too...
It's a chicken and egg problem. One has to start somewhere.

> I need someone from your team to tell me what is there for Matroska in
> C#(C Sharp)? Can you provide me with a mechanism for reading tags, or
> maybe entire Matroska file and build a "map"of all the elements?

I am not sure there are much code doing Matroska in C# but here is one:
https://matroska.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/matroska/trunk/mkNETtools/

Googling "Matroska c#" will probably give you more results.

Steve

> I will be expecting your answer
> Boris Juraga
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org> wrote:
>> Hello Boris,
>>
>> Did you have a look at this page ?
>> http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/example-video.html
>>
>> There are ways to classify TV episodes in an unambiguous way. There
>> are already some TV episodes in MKV on the net that use this system.
>>
>> Let me know if you have any questions or how your project goes.
>> Tagging Matroska files properly and classifying is certainly something
>> that is missing badly nowadays.
>>
>> Steve Lhomme
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I have a small question to ask about the tags for the MKV file (or MKA
>>> in that matter):
>>>
>>> Is there a way of "classifying" the files for example like the WMV
>>> files can be using the Zune tag editor?
>>>
>>> What i like to be able to do is classify my ONE-EPISODE-PER-MKV file
>>> as a VIDEO-TVSHOW [major group - minor group]
>>>
>>> My idea would be to have some predefined way of classifying the MK*
>>> files as: VIDEO, AUDIO, OTHER, and the VIDEO files as minor: MOVIE,
>>> TVSHOW, MUSIC (for music videos), PERSONAL, OTHER
>>>
>>> I dont see option how to achieve this with the current tagging system,
>>> if there is a way please let me know
>>>
>>> I am willing to make a tag editor for MKV/MKA files as i have
>>> experience in C# and have already done few projects with MKV
>>>
>>> I will be expecting your answer,
>>> Boris Juraga
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Lhomme
>> Matroska association Chairman
>>
>



-- 
Steve Lhomme
Matroska association Chairman


From slhomme at matroska.org  Sun Jan 30 18:46:40 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:46:40 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimejir5DnP7VuHcYyu8E+17i0go6fNtX9x1k-Y3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik3TeQoLbndrsegMwsytWoEQc_BDxkLu9p1cRS9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik0V1hukPiVXKwW_9Td_SsLQe6Xx5UH_XqiZKdC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimE1oPCevdpY8mhxOQMTf=Rj2eXdYOqSDEp1jjP@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTim1VS_x65GB2JT0r13kFbQbGcnT=dDhMSonoatj@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimejir5DnP7VuHcYyu8E+17i0go6fNtX9x1k-Y3@mail.gmail.com>
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Please reply on the mailing list if you really want everyone's point of view.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 5:02 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 4:01 PM, Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org> wrote:
>> I cc the official mailing list so that more people can take part in
>> the discussion.
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:41 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi there, i have seen this example and many more, and even got to the
>>> specifications and eve broke out the hex editor and started building a
>>> tag reader for Matroska....
>>>
>>> What i needed were the tags ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE and CONTENT_TYPE at
>>> http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/index.html so i can
>>> classify my videos and later build a MKV media library
>>
>> So they are there. What is missing then ?
>
> What is missing is the top devs agreeing on standardized members like
> for the ?ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE i propose there are: TV, DVD, VCD,
> BLU-RAY, CAMERA, OTHER(SPECIFY). i hope you understand what i am
> trying to say here. So then i can make my MKV Media Library classified
> by TV.

OK, so you want fixed values that anyone can rely on. Am I correct.
Well there are already some values proposed. If you want to add more
to the list, feel free to propose more values.

> After that CONTENT_TYPE i propose there are tags like: SHOW, MOVIE,
> SPECIALS, NEWS, MUSIC_VIDEO, COMMERCIAL, DOCUMENTARY, PERSONAL,
> OTHER(SPECIFY) so if i have a MOVIE that i recorded from TV i will be
> able to clasiffy it proper. Searching trough media library organized
> like that wold be perfect for me and i hope for all others out there.

Well, the values should not be in all uppercase. For Movie it's
already there called "Feature Film".
But you have to keep in mind that no field has a finished set of
values. It can evolve in time. So if you design a tag system, you
should not expect ONLY some pre-defined values. But obviously it's
best if people use the predefined values when they exist.

> I can do it now but i would like some predefined tags so i dont create
> tags that only i and my software will read, and someone else creates
> his own tags in future.
>
>>
>>> I think you at Matroska need to set atleast some standards, or this
>>> contaier will decay as many others. I know it is mass used and all its
>>> "features" are great for me - but they are all just on paper, no app
>>> uses tags, and many more features MKV is capable of. Why is that? I
>>> would really appreciate few simple answers so i know is it worth it
>>> for me to build apps around MKV. By worth it i mean my time not money
>>> in any way, i love programing
>>
>> Well the success of Matroska is not based on tags. In fact right now
>> nobody cares about tags. That's a PITA when you see so many
>> hardware/PCs acting as media centers and there is no proper way to
>> tell what file is what. This is precisely why tags exist in Matroska
>> but we don't make all these softwares, we can only propose the specs
>> and hope they will support it in a decent way. It worked for other
>> Matroska features so hopefully it should work with that one too...
>> It's a chicken and egg problem. One has to start somewhere.
>>
>
> "Well the success of Matroska is not based on tags." I am well aware
> of that, but it is a feature in Matroska that is maybe the most
> neglected. I was hoping that part of the creators of Matroska are
> people building the software around it, but Matroska is over 8 years
> old now and not much going on i software around it. It is as you are
> satisfied with the success now, and stopped caring for the future,
> that is the scary thing and i think that is the reason no one is going
> on to support features that exist only on paper as specs. I hoped
> there will be more for this in C# as i am experienced in it. I guess i
> will have to make a new library alone that will support the Matroska
> container, not transferring AVI's in Matroska containers, as many
> people still confuse container and codec and think that is what
> Matroska is.

There is already a lot to deal with. And I personally push for tags
every time I have the occasion, even for WebM. Tags alone is a huge
task. I've thought many times of making a proper tag editor, but I
have to finish libebml2 and libmatroska2 first. If someone else want
to pick the task, they are welcome and I will help where I can.

>>> I need someone from your team to tell me what is there for Matroska in
>>> C#(C Sharp)? Can you provide me with a mechanism for reading tags, or
>>> maybe entire Matroska file and build a "map"of all the elements?
>>
>> I am not sure there are much code doing Matroska in C# but here is one:
>> https://matroska.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/matroska/trunk/mkNETtools/
>>
>> Googling "Matroska c#" will probably give you more results.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> I will be expecting your answer
>>> Boris Juraga
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org> wrote:
>>>> Hello Boris,
>>>>
>>>> Did you have a look at this page ?
>>>> http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/example-video.html
>>>>
>>>> There are ways to classify TV episodes in an unambiguous way. There
>>>> are already some TV episodes in MKV on the net that use this system.
>>>>
>>>> Let me know if you have any questions or how your project goes.
>>>> Tagging Matroska files properly and classifying is certainly something
>>>> that is missing badly nowadays.
>>>>
>>>> Steve Lhomme
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:53 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> I have a small question to ask about the tags for the MKV file (or MKA
>>>>> in that matter):
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there a way of "classifying" the files for example like the WMV
>>>>> files can be using the Zune tag editor?
>>>>>
>>>>> What i like to be able to do is classify my ONE-EPISODE-PER-MKV file
>>>>> as a VIDEO-TVSHOW [major group - minor group]
>>>>>
>>>>> My idea would be to have some predefined way of classifying the MK*
>>>>> files as: VIDEO, AUDIO, OTHER, and the VIDEO files as minor: MOVIE,
>>>>> TVSHOW, MUSIC (for music videos), PERSONAL, OTHER
>>>>>
>>>>> I dont see option how to achieve this with the current tagging system,
>>>>> if there is a way please let me know
>>>>>
>>>>> I am willing to make a tag editor for MKV/MKA files as i have
>>>>> experience in C# and have already done few projects with MKV
>>>>>
>>>>> I will be expecting your answer,
>>>>> Boris Juraga
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Steve Lhomme
>>>> Matroska association Chairman
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Steve Lhomme
>> Matroska association Chairman
>>
>



-- 
Steve Lhomme
Matroska association Chairman


From slhomme at matroska.org  Sun Jan 30 18:49:17 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 18:49:17 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfguH-URr8tJ4yEHDvwcOi0-v1foXAsHGzwwra@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik3TeQoLbndrsegMwsytWoEQc_BDxkLu9p1cRS9@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik0V1hukPiVXKwW_9Td_SsLQe6Xx5UH_XqiZKdC@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimE1oPCevdpY8mhxOQMTf=Rj2eXdYOqSDEp1jjP@mail.gmail.com>
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PS: the same goes for cover art. For a long time there was no standard
way to do it. It's been added on the website and now we still need
Media Centers or any "visual" player to support it. One way or another
we will have to push in that direction too.

As you can see, there's a lot to do. It's not just one software to
code for, but all of them (at least the open source ones).


From ogre at chaocracy.net  Sun Jan 30 19:13:36 2011
From: ogre at chaocracy.net (Kristopher Gilbert)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 13:13:36 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikfguH-URr8tJ4yEHDvwcOi0-v1foXAsHGzwwra@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTik3TeQoLbndrsegMwsytWoEQc_BDxkLu9p1cRS9@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTik0V1hukPiVXKwW_9Td_SsLQe6Xx5UH_XqiZKdC@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTimE1oPCevdpY8mhxOQMTf=Rj2eXdYOqSDEp1jjP@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTim1VS_x65GB2JT0r13kFbQbGcnT=dDhMSonoatj@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTimejir5DnP7VuHcYyu8E+17i0go6fNtX9x1k-Y3@mail.gmail.com>
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There was a bit of discussion about mkNETtool on this list a while ago. This code hasn't been updated in years. It also requires J# as one of the projects it references is written in J#. I assume it's a port from Java. I got the code to compile once but it didn't work with any modern MKV files.

-----Original Message-----
From: matroska-devel-bounces at lists.matroska.org [mailto:matroska-devel-bounces at lists.matroska.org] On Behalf Of Steve Lhomme
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2011 12:47 PM
To: Boris Juraga
Cc: Matroska Devel
Subject: Re: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags

>> I am not sure there are much code doing Matroska in C# but here is one:
>> https://matroska.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/matroska/trunk/mkNETtool




From Krispy3000 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 30 21:01:11 2011
From: Krispy3000 at gmail.com (Kris Baumgartner)
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 20:01:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Haali subchapter support is broken
Message-ID: <loom.20110130T101913-978@post.gmane.org>

Haali doesn't display subchapters even though it's supposed to:

28/01/2005 Added a much better language selection option, you can specify
audio&sub language pairs now, added nested chapters support. 

I created the subchapters using mkvmerge's chapter editor and tested that they
were valid by using Gabset which did properly display them.



From slhomme at matroska.org  Mon Jan 31 10:23:54 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 10:23:54 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
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The example set of possible values are right there in the specs:
http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/index.html

ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE	UTF-8	Describes the original type of the media,
such as, "DVD", "CD", "computer image," "drawing," "lithograph," and
so forth. This is akin to the TMED tag in ID3.
CONTENT_TYPE	UTF-8	The type of the item. e.g. Documentary, Feature
Film, Cartoon, Music Video, Music, Sound FX, ...

Now I realize that these values are in English. It may not be very
interesting to have the fields that have a set of (text) values to be
in text form. On the other hand when it's a known value it may be
translated from that known value (when writing it needs to be put in
English, when it's a known value).

The media type values should probably be the ones described here:
http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#TMED
It's missing Bluray. If you can think of any values missing we'll add
it to the specs (soon enough).

For the XML it's pretty easy, you take the example in
http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/example-video.html and
add a ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE in the section for the "whole show".

For the C# code unfortunately I cannot help.

And please use the mailing list if you want to have a chance to be
read by people who can actually help you.

On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org> wrote:
>> PS: the same goes for cover art. For a long time there was no standard
>> way to do it. It's been added on the website and now we still need
>> Media Centers or any "visual" player to support it. One way or another
>> we will have to push in that direction too.
>>
>> As you can see, there's a lot to do. It's not just one software to
>> code for, but all of them (at least the open source ones).
>>
>
> Well i appreciate that, i hope you consider my emails as a
> constructive criticism, as that is the reason i wrote them, and also
> to see where things stand for Matroska.
>
> I have already used the cover art standard for big part of my
> collection. Now i have all subtitles and all cover art inside my mkv's
> and i can read them out and display them in my media library app. But
> so far i have used code from all over the internet and i like to make
> a C# library that will be able to read\write MKV (possibly all other
> Matroska) - and i dont mean transfer .avi or something in .mkv, but
> editing mkv attachments and tags. What do you think is really the
> usability of that kind of lib? I am not really familiar with hosting
> open source projects and getting help from others so any pointers are
> welcome. Also i need more help on forming the xml tags for now to be
> able to test against .mkv's with tags inside. On the web there are no
> examples including ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE and CONTENT_TYPE tags. Can you
> create one simple xml draft for me? Scenario is: MKV containing Dexter
> episode 1 season 1. Also where can i find the list containing the
> "Feature Film" and others?
>
> Thanks for the quick answers and the help so far,
> Boris Juraga
>



-- 
Steve Lhomme
Matroska association Chairman


From boris.juraga at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 12:11:36 2011
From: boris.juraga at gmail.com (Boris Juraga)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:11:36 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
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Ok, thanks for the help so far. Now i have something to go on and
start building the C# library. I guess i will have to make one for the
EBML and one for Matroska. Besides that i will have to explore more on
the voiding so maybe i will be able to use some "empty" place after
the tags so no remux is needed. As for the ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE and
CONTENT_TYPE, i first found them existing in media files using the
Microsoft Zune Software for the few .wmv files i had. Then i started
searching for similar things in Matroska. In vmw they use some
{9032-02938......} UID's for those fields and they only display the
"user-friendly" string. I think you can make something of this for the
future.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org> wrote:
> The example set of possible values are right there in the specs:
> http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/index.html
>
> ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE ? ? UTF-8 ? Describes the original type of the media,
> such as, "DVD", "CD", "computer image," "drawing," "lithograph," and
> so forth. This is akin to the TMED tag in ID3.
> CONTENT_TYPE ? ?UTF-8 ? The type of the item. e.g. Documentary, Feature
> Film, Cartoon, Music Video, Music, Sound FX, ...
>
> Now I realize that these values are in English. It may not be very
> interesting to have the fields that have a set of (text) values to be
> in text form. On the other hand when it's a known value it may be
> translated from that known value (when writing it needs to be put in
> English, when it's a known value).
>
> The media type values should probably be the ones described here:
> http://www.id3.org/id3v2.3.0#TMED
> It's missing Bluray. If you can think of any values missing we'll add
> it to the specs (soon enough).
>
> For the XML it's pretty easy, you take the example in
> http://www.matroska.org/technical/specs/tagging/example-video.html and
> add a ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE in the section for the "whole show".
>
> For the C# code unfortunately I cannot help.
>
> And please use the mailing list if you want to have a chance to be
> read by people who can actually help you.
>
> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 7:06 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Steve Lhomme <slhomme at matroska.org> wrote:
>>> PS: the same goes for cover art. For a long time there was no standard
>>> way to do it. It's been added on the website and now we still need
>>> Media Centers or any "visual" player to support it. One way or another
>>> we will have to push in that direction too.
>>>
>>> As you can see, there's a lot to do. It's not just one software to
>>> code for, but all of them (at least the open source ones).
>>>
>>
>> Well i appreciate that, i hope you consider my emails as a
>> constructive criticism, as that is the reason i wrote them, and also
>> to see where things stand for Matroska.
>>
>> I have already used the cover art standard for big part of my
>> collection. Now i have all subtitles and all cover art inside my mkv's
>> and i can read them out and display them in my media library app. But
>> so far i have used code from all over the internet and i like to make
>> a C# library that will be able to read\write MKV (possibly all other
>> Matroska) - and i dont mean transfer .avi or something in .mkv, but
>> editing mkv attachments and tags. What do you think is really the
>> usability of that kind of lib? I am not really familiar with hosting
>> open source projects and getting help from others so any pointers are
>> welcome. Also i need more help on forming the xml tags for now to be
>> able to test against .mkv's with tags inside. On the web there are no
>> examples including ORIGINAL_MEDIA_TYPE and CONTENT_TYPE tags. Can you
>> create one simple xml draft for me? Scenario is: MKV containing Dexter
>> episode 1 season 1. Also where can i find the list containing the
>> "Feature Film" and others?
>>
>> Thanks for the quick answers and the help so far,
>> Boris Juraga
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Steve Lhomme
> Matroska association Chairman
>


From boris.juraga at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 12:59:33 2011
From: boris.juraga at gmail.com (Boris Juraga)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:59:33 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
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I need one more question answered for testing purpose only i will be
using mkvmerge to add tags to a file and see if i can read them. Now
mkvmerge has option to add the xml file to the video,audio,sutitle
tacks or as global. I was so far using the global method, but on the
mkvmerge documentation there is a note that global tags are 99% not
what anyone needs. I would normally ask Moritz but he reply to me that
he is busy this week so i ask out here. What option shoud i use: place
the tags xml on the video track in the first tab of mkvmerge, OR place
the tags xml as global tags in the third tab of mkvmerge?


From slhomme at matroska.org  Mon Jan 31 13:07:40 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:07:40 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
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>From what you want to do it's most likely to be the global tabs in the
3rd panel.

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 12:59 PM, Boris Juraga <boris.juraga at gmail.com> wrote:
> I need one more question answered for testing purpose only i will be
> using mkvmerge to add tags to a file and see if i can read them. Now
> mkvmerge has option to add the xml file to the video,audio,sutitle
> tacks or as global. I was so far using the global method, but on the
> mkvmerge documentation there is a note that global tags are 99% not
> what anyone needs. I would normally ask Moritz but he reply to me that
> he is busy this week so i ask out here. What option shoud i use: place
> the tags xml on the video track in the first tab of mkvmerge, OR place
> the tags xml as global tags in the third tab of mkvmerge?
>



-- 
Steve Lhomme
Matroska association Chairman


From sjimeno at ya.com  Mon Jan 31 13:23:21 2011
From: sjimeno at ya.com (Santiago Jimeno)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:23:21 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
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Message-ID: <EB3505BCDF364A289117E49CFD513FC8@JSASUS>

Hi all

In the email I sent speaking about CodecSpecs a while ago, I said that I 
would write other about Tags.
I think the current message provides me this opportunity.

Reading Tags is relatively easy (in spite of Nested Tags) in Visual .NET 
because of the easiness that .NET provides to work with XML Documents.

Editing or re-writing Tags is complicated. But I have it done in my program 
FileList.
But it's not still completed because of the difficulties that I have found 
with Cover Art.

Cover Art are in a Attachments block (separated of Tags block) that is a bag 
for everything that also includes fonts, text and subtitles and located in 
any place of the file. The result in this case is that, in spite of its 
initial advantages, it doesn't exist a program for editing Tags and I think 
it's for the extreme difficulty that implies to almost modify the whole 
file. I think that to have two different blocks for Tags and Pictures is not 
a good design. In Flac files a similar thing happens.

I am working in two possible solutions.
1.- Declaring VOID the block part that contains Pictures and writing them at 
the file end (next to Tags) in a second Attachments block.
2.- Including them in a new SimpleTag <TagName> COVERART inside TAGS, 
maintaining its structure. The binary data could be written as <TagBinary> 
or as <TagString> in Base64 so that was compatible with UTF8 (Vorbis 
Comments do it this way).

If somebody wants to test FileList program, one can download it in 
http://personales.ya.com/sjimeno/Download/MATROSKAFileList.zip
To show edit form --> double click in List Item.
This program is designed for audio files MKA, although it also reads video 
files MKV. Apply Tags edition is disabled at the moment due to the problem 
above mentioned.

Regards. Santiago Jimeno 




From slhomme at matroska.org  Mon Jan 31 13:32:56 2011
From: slhomme at matroska.org (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 13:32:56 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
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The reason for this is that some apps may support attachments and not
tags. The cover art system is much simpler to support than tags (when
done properly).

And yes, when editing tags/cover art you have to check if it can fit
in the original place, if not you have to :
- void the old version
- write the new version at the end
- update the segment size
- update the position of the tags/attachment in the SeekHead section

That's more or less what you'd have to do in any container anyway,
except some may not have a Void element and would always put these
data at the end (not nice for network reading).

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Santiago Jimeno <sjimeno at ya.com> wrote:
> Hi all
>
> In the email I sent speaking about CodecSpecs a while ago, I said that I
> would write other about Tags.
> I think the current message provides me this opportunity.
>
> Reading Tags is relatively easy (in spite of Nested Tags) in Visual .NET
> because of the easiness that .NET provides to work with XML Documents.
>
> Editing or re-writing Tags is complicated. But I have it done in my program
> FileList.
> But it's not still completed because of the difficulties that I have found
> with Cover Art.
>
> Cover Art are in a Attachments block (separated of Tags block) that is a bag
> for everything that also includes fonts, text and subtitles and located in
> any place of the file. The result in this case is that, in spite of its
> initial advantages, it doesn't exist a program for editing Tags and I think
> it's for the extreme difficulty that implies to almost modify the whole
> file. I think that to have two different blocks for Tags and Pictures is not
> a good design. In Flac files a similar thing happens.
>
> I am working in two possible solutions.
> 1.- Declaring VOID the block part that contains Pictures and writing them at
> the file end (next to Tags) in a second Attachments block.
> 2.- Including them in a new SimpleTag <TagName> COVERART inside TAGS,
> maintaining its structure. The binary data could be written as <TagBinary>
> or as <TagString> in Base64 so that was compatible with UTF8 (Vorbis
> Comments do it this way).
>
> If somebody wants to test FileList program, one can download it in
> http://personales.ya.com/sjimeno/Download/MATROSKAFileList.zip
> To show edit form --> double click in List Item.
> This program is designed for audio files MKA, although it also reads video
> files MKV. Apply Tags edition is disabled at the moment due to the problem
> above mentioned.
>
> Regards. Santiago Jimeno
>
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From boris.juraga at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 16:16:57 2011
From: boris.juraga at gmail.com (Boris Juraga)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:16:57 +0100
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Hi, question about the MKV tags
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OK, so far i have made a simple lib that reads tags and attachments
out of the file. Still not finished with the adding to the file, but
that is job for mkvmerge for now. I am now able to create a Tag reader
and a Tag creator, after some testing i hope to make the most
important part - the Tag writer. I just need to make some tag
"profiles" for different scenarios.