From tlen at gawab.com  Thu Jun  2 11:55:05 2005
From: tlen at gawab.com (3ngel)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 09:55:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Matroska-devel] [Feauture REQ] - Support for Nero Digital MP4
	Splitter
Message-ID: <loom.20050602T114817-595@post.gmane.org>

Hi,
much compliments for the software.
I would like the splitter have the support to split properly an MP4 ASP Nero 
Digital Content. I explain my problem.
I have an avi, containing a NeroDigital ASP Video (extracted from an .mp4 
resulting from NeroVision Express), FCC Mp4v. Actually in order to play it i 
have to install the 3ivx package and use only it's splitter to parse the video 
correctly to HaaliSplitter (that decodes the mp4 correctly).
Can you add the support in order to do splitting too and avoid using 3ivx?
Thank you very much and compliments again :)



From grotesteph at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  2 12:34:58 2005
From: grotesteph at yahoo.com (Stephan Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 12:34:58 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] [Feauture REQ] - Support for Nero Digital MP4
	Splitter
In-Reply-To: <loom.20050602T114817-595@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20050602T114817-595@post.gmane.org>
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From tlen at gawab.com  Thu Jun  2 21:19:43 2005
From: tlen at gawab.com (3ngel)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:19:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: [Feauture REQ] - Support for Nero Digital
	MP4	Splitter
References: <loom.20050602T114817-595@post.gmane.org>
	<429EE0D2.4080708@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20050602T211414-778@post.gmane.org>

Stephan Verhoeven <grotesteph <at> yahoo.com> writes:

> 
> Uhm, I'm not sure i understand this.
> First of all, Haali's splitter doesnt decode anything. Its unthinkable
> that the 3ivx splitter would connect to Haalis splitter unless
> something really weird is going on.
> Second of all, why would you need a mp4 splitter if you extracted the
> stream to AVI?

Haali can decode MP4 with the option selected in the installation process.
For the splitting i don't know why, but i think it's related to the structure 
of the Nero Digital MP4 ASP video content into the avi.
Without the 3ivx, the video doesn't decode saying can't connect. I repeat, the 
ND video format is quite strange in this kind of thing.



From grotesteph at yahoo.com  Thu Jun  2 21:56:36 2005
From: grotesteph at yahoo.com (Stephan Verhoeven)
Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:56:36 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: [Feauture REQ] - Support for Nero Digital
	MP4	Splitter
In-Reply-To: <loom.20050602T211414-778@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20050602T114817-595@post.gmane.org>	<429EE0D2.4080708@yahoo.com>
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From moritz at bunkus.org  Fri Jun  3 09:12:27 2005
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:12:27 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: mkvtoolnix 0.9.4 muxed files with haali's
	matroska splitter
In-Reply-To: <429C6FD4.4060804@gmail.com>
References: <429C6FD4.4060804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200506030912.28204.moritz@bunkus.org>

Hey,

I'm CCing the reply to the Matroska devel mailing list. Maybe Haali can
comment on this problem.

On Tuesday 31 May 2005 16:08, Lior Galanti wrote:
> hello Moritz
> 
> i seem to be having problems in opening streams muxed with mkvtoolnix 
> 0.9.4 with haali's matroska splitter.
> i have checked files muxed with other versions and there is no problem.
> 
> its not a real big issue, i just have some 0.9.4 files in my archives, 
> so i wanted to confirm with you before i remux them, maybe there is 
> another way of handeling this.
> 
> best regards and thanks for all your hard work,
> 
> Lior Galanti

If remuxing fixes your problem then just remux the files ;) Haali, could
you please comment on this as well? You can get old mkvtoolnix versions
from
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/old/mkvtoolnix-0.9.4.rar
and the corresponding runtime archive should be
http://www.bunkus.org/videotools/mkvtoolnix/win32/mkvtoolnix-runtime.rar

Thanks,

Mosu

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds

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From chris at matroska.org  Fri Jun  3 13:14:54 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 13:14:54 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: mkvtoolnix 0.9.4 muxed files with haali's
	matroska splitter
In-Reply-To: <200506030912.28204.moritz@bunkus.org>
References: <429C6FD4.4060804@gmail.com> <200506030912.28204.moritz@bunkus.org>
Message-ID: <42A03BAE.10606@matroska.org>

Moritz Bunkus schrieb:

>If remuxing fixes your problem then just remux the files ;) 
>
I just hope you forgot to add the ' j/k ' here  ;-) .....

Christian


From mike at po.cs.msu.su  Fri Jun  3 20:10:53 2005
From: mike at po.cs.msu.su (Mike Matsnev)
Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 22:10:53 +0400
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: mkvtoolnix 0.9.4 muxed files with haali's
	matroska splitter
In-Reply-To: <200506030912.28204.moritz@bunkus.org>
References: <429C6FD4.4060804@gmail.com> <200506030912.28204.moritz@bunkus.org>
Message-ID: <42A09D2D.6030008@po.cs.msu.su>

Moritz Bunkus wrote:
> I'm CCing the reply to the Matroska devel mailing list. Maybe Haali can
> comment on this problem.
I didn't find any description of the problem and I'm too lazy to install
older mkvtoolnix and remux files with it. Is some error message
displayed by splitter?

/Mike


From moritz at bunkus.org  Sat Jun  4 13:58:14 2005
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 13:58:14 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: Matroska-devel post from
	magratemojo2005@yahoo.co.in requires approval
In-Reply-To: <mailman.31.1117884621.4013.matroska-devel@lists.matroska.org>
References: <mailman.31.1117884621.4013.matroska-devel@lists.matroska.org>
Message-ID: <200506041358.14516.moritz@bunkus.org>

On Saturday 04 June 2005 13:30, matroska-devel-owner at lists.matroska.org wrote:
> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the
> following mailing list posting:
> 
>     List:    Matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org
>     From:    magratemojo2005 at yahoo.co.in
>     Subject: CONGRATULATIONS
>     Reason:  Post by non-member to a members-only list
> 
> At your convenience, visit:
> 
>     http://lists.matroska.org/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/matroska-devel
>         
> to approve or deny the request.
> 

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds



From moritz at bunkus.org  Sat Jun  4 14:42:32 2005
From: moritz at bunkus.org (Moritz Bunkus)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:42:32 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: Matroska-devel post from
	magratemojo2005@yahoo.co.in requires approval
In-Reply-To: <200506041358.14516.moritz@bunkus.org>
References: <mailman.31.1117884621.4013.matroska-devel@lists.matroska.org>
	<200506041358.14516.moritz@bunkus.org>
Message-ID: <200506041442.37154.moritz@bunkus.org>

Hey,

ignore my failed attempts at email based moderation on the three lists
;)

Mosu

-- 
If Darl McBride was in charge, he'd probably make marriage
unconstitutional too, since clearly it de-emphasizes the commercial
nature of normal human interaction, and probably is a major impediment
to the commercial growth of prostitution. - Linus Torvalds

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From kurtnoise at free.fr  Wed Jun  8 08:47:16 2005
From: kurtnoise at free.fr (kurtnoise at free.fr)
Date: Wed,  8 Jun 2005 08:47:16 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Dirac codec in Matroska, possible ?
Message-ID: <1118213236.42a69474d3375@imp5-q.free.fr>

Hi Matroska team,

I'd like to submit a new request for his great container : to have the
possibility to mux some dirac video files into mkv. Dirac is video codec which
aimed at resolutions from QCIF (180x144) to HDTV (1920x1080) progressive or
interlaced. It uses wavelets, motion compensation and arithmetic coding.
Official website is here : http://dirac.sourceforge.net/

In addition, there are some patches now for MPlayer, Transcode and FFMpeg to
encode & decode those files. For win32 plateform, Gabest has made a dshow
splitter...So, it would be great if we can mux dirac files in Matroska. ;-)

Thanks anyway.

++
Kurtnoise



From paul at msn.com  Wed Jun  8 16:04:17 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Atamido)
Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:04:17 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: Dirac codec in Matroska, possible ?
In-Reply-To: <1118213236.42a69474d3375@imp5-q.free.fr>
References: <1118213236.42a69474d3375@imp5-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <d86tlj$2g7$1@sea.gmane.org>

kurtnoise at free.fr wrote:
> I'd like to submit a new request for his great container : to have the
> possibility to mux some dirac video files into mkv. Dirac is video codec which
> aimed at resolutions from QCIF (180x144) to HDTV (1920x1080) progressive or
> interlaced. It uses wavelets, motion compensation and arithmetic coding.
> Official website is here : http://dirac.sourceforge.net/

This was discussed at length with the project manager of Dirac here.
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.multimedia.matroska.devel/2224

But he stopped responding and that was really that.  I don't know that 
actually working on Dirac at the moment is fruitful because I don't know 
that the basic parts of the bitstream have been frozen yet.


Atamido



From the_madman at softhome.net  Wed Jun  8 05:59:47 2005
From: the_madman at softhome.net (Jorge Fuente-Alba)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:59:47 -0400
Subject: [Matroska-devel] suggestion: method to enable auto lossless pan&scan
Message-ID: <42A66D33.4030402@softhome.net>

Hello, this is a suggestion and my first email to a MKV mailing list. 
Searched the archives and didn't find anything like this, so here goes:

I was looking for a particular aspect ratio and found some of the 
widescreen advocacy websites, and that reminded me that mom still hates 
letterboxing in her movies, and I guess there are a bunch of people out 
there who do too....
So the idea is to add a stream of two coordinates per frame, that point 
to the center of the area of  focus in each frame, so a video player can 
do automatic pan&scan and have the frame follow the action.
You'd have both a proper pan&scan and a widescreen version without 
duplicating image data... the resulting stream should be smallish, too.
Using that info a player could "fill the frame" and follow the center of 
action. Sounds doable? useful? this would also help when viewing 4:3 
footage in widescreen and wanting to fill the screen (tilt&scan, not a 
big problem.. yet).

About creating said stream, people who want pan&scan would like the 
support to be there. We already see MKV videos with multiple languages 
translated by hand and multiple audio tracks, this would be another 
feature among those. Subtitle apps are halfways there with the interfase 
to create this kind of streams. While splines or bezier curves would be 
easier to extract and edit, the would be harder to implement, so here 
goes for simple coordinates. (splines and keyframes would probably be 
useful during the creation of the stream though)

With help from IRC I made a more detailed description:

there should be enough data blocks so that the sum of all d across the 
stream equals the number of video frames.
each block should contain
x: integer value, representing the horizontal coordinate of the center 
of the focus area (should be inside the movie frame)
y: integer value, representing the vertical coordinate of the center of 
the focus area (should be inside the movie frame)
d: integer value, representing the number of consecutive frames the 
focus center applies to.

Thanks for your time :)
and thanks for mkv!!


From lucads at email.it  Thu Jun  9 11:14:09 2005
From: lucads at email.it (Luca Della Santina)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 11:14:09 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] First Pixishow release
In-Reply-To: <20050608100005.E9DF8440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
References: <20050608100005.E9DF8440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
Message-ID: <42A80861.5010303@email.it>

For those of you i've not bored in these weeks on the #matroska channel, 
i'd like to introduce my current duty in the matroska project.

I'm working on a USF rasterizer filter for DirectShow, named PixiShow 
accordingly to unmei's Pixifier wich is the rasterizing engine of the 
filter.

The first preview release of my filter is now avaible on the USF project 
page (http://corecodec.org/projects/usf)
It consists of an nsis installer which simply copy and 
register/unregister the directshow filter.

PixiShow can display USF subtitles embeeded in the Matroska container 
(tested with the latests mkvtoolnix builds) and, when no embeeded USF 
subtitles are present in the clip, it looks for an external USF subtitle 
file with the same name of the videoclip.

PixiShow accepts ANSI / UTF8 / UTF16BE and UTF16LE encoded USF files.

A property page is also present during playback allowing the user to 
tweak the main parameters of pixifier's rendering engine.

I hope you'll like it. 

Regards.
                Luca Della Santina


From chris at matroska.org  Thu Jun  9 14:25:04 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:25:04 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] First Pixishow release
In-Reply-To: <42A80861.5010303@email.it>
References: <20050608100005.E9DF8440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
	<42A80861.5010303@email.it>
Message-ID: <42A83520.8040200@matroska.org>

Congratulations !!! Going to test asap !

Christian

Luca Della Santina schrieb:

> For those of you i've not bored in these weeks on the #matroska 
> channel, i'd like to introduce my current duty in the matroska project.
> I'm working on a USF rasterizer filter for DirectShow, named PixiShow 
> accordingly to unmei's Pixifier wich is the rasterizing engine of the 
> filter.
> The first preview release of my filter is now avaible on the USF 
> project page (http://corecodec.org/projects/usf)
> It consists of an nsis installer which simply copy and 
> register/unregister the directshow filter.
> PixiShow can display USF subtitles embeeded in the Matroska container 
> (tested with the latests mkvtoolnix builds) and, when no embeeded USF 
> subtitles are present in the clip, it looks for an external USF 
> subtitle file with the same name of the videoclip.
> PixiShow accepts ANSI / UTF8 / UTF16BE and UTF16LE encoded USF files.
> A property page is also present during playback allowing the user to 
> tweak the main parameters of pixifier's rendering engine.
> I hope you'll like it.  Regards.  Luca Della Santina 




From tgrenier at free.fr  Thu Jun  9 14:56:35 2005
From: tgrenier at free.fr (THIERRY)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 14:56:35 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] nero
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050609145528.01abe1e8@pop.free.fr>

bonjour
je voudrais savoir s'il est possible de creer un dvd avec nero a partir 
d'un fichier mkv

is it possible to make a dvd with nero taken on a mkv file

merci
thanks




From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Thu Jun  9 21:04:27 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:04:27 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-devel] nero
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050609145528.01abe1e8@pop.free.fr>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050609145528.01abe1e8@pop.free.fr>
Message-ID: <42A892BB.6000409@free.fr>

THIERRY a ?crit :
> bonjour
> je voudrais savoir s'il est possible de creer un dvd avec nero a partir 
> d'un fichier mkv
> 
> is it possible to make a dvd with nero taken on a mkv file
> 
> merci
> thanks

There is a possibility with TMPEGenc.


From mik1983 at yandex.ru  Fri Jun 10 21:06:11 2005
From: mik1983 at yandex.ru (Mike)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:06:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Matroska-devel] How to play audiotracks simultaneously in mkv?
Message-ID: <loom.20050610T210001-204@post.gmane.org>

Hi. Does anybody know how to do that? 
As  I understand, Haali splitter doesn't support such feature. :(



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Fri Jun 10 21:22:16 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:22:16 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-devel] How to play audiotracks simultaneously in mkv?
In-Reply-To: <loom.20050610T210001-204@post.gmane.org>
References: <loom.20050610T210001-204@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <42A9E868.7050606@free.fr>

You may try it using Media Player Classic and enabling the internal 
Matroska Splitter.

Mike a ?crit :
> Hi. Does anybody know how to do that? 
> As  I understand, Haali splitter doesn't support such feature. :(
> 
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> Matroska-devel at lists.matroska.org
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From skaarj_ at mail.ru  Sun Jun 12 08:53:34 2005
From: skaarj_ at mail.ru (Skaarj)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 10:53:34 +0400
Subject: [Matroska-devel] USF subtitles
Message-ID: <E1DhMLe-0002sF-00.skaarj_-mail-ru@f34.mail.ru>

I create subtitles vith U96.
mkvtoolnix-unicode-1.4.2-build20050607-2
PixiShow_20050609

All external USF subtitles w?rks fine, embeeded USF subtitles don`t work (All players crash).

<text alignment="BottomCenter"><font color="#FFE1E1E1">USF <font color="#FFD20000">subtitles test</font></font></text></subtitle>

But embeeded USF subtitles work, if look so:
<text><font color="#FFE1E1E1">USF </font><font color="#FFD20000">subtitles test</font></text></subtitle>



From chris at wiesneronline.net  Sun Jun 12 19:34:23 2005
From: chris at wiesneronline.net (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:34:23 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] USF subtitles
In-Reply-To: <E1DhMLe-0002sF-00.skaarj_-mail-ru@f34.mail.ru>
References: <E1DhMLe-0002sF-00.skaarj_-mail-ru@f34.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <42AC721F.1080003@wiesneronline.net>

Skaarj schrieb:

>I create subtitles vith U96.
>mkvtoolnix-unicode-1.4.2-build20050607-2
>PixiShow_20050609
>
>All external USF subtitles w?rks fine, embeeded USF subtitles don`t work (All players crash).
>
><text alignment="BottomCenter"><font color="#FFE1E1E1">USF <font color="#FFD20000">subtitles test</font></font></text></subtitle>
>
>But embeeded USF subtitles work, if look so:
><text><font color="#FFE1E1E1">USF </font><font color="#FFD20000">subtitles test</font></text></subtitle>
>
>  
>
Hi, thanks for testing. Can you try to make the USF subs with ChronoSub 
from http://sourceforge.net/projects/medusa intead please ? Maybe this 
is an incompatibility between U96 and ChronoSub ?

Thanks in advance

Christian
matroska project admin


From lucads at email.it  Mon Jun 13 17:55:16 2005
From: lucads at email.it (Luca Della Santina)
Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 17:55:16 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: Matroska-devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <20050613100011.C3C9A440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
References: <20050613100011.C3C9A440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
Message-ID: <42ADAC64.6070501@email.it>


>I create subtitles vith U96.
>mkvtoolnix-unicode-1.4.2-build20050607-2
>PixiShow_20050609
>
>All external USF subtitles w?rks fine, embeeded USF subtitles don`t work (All players crash).
>  
>
I'm also experiencing bugs in matroska-embeeded subtitles, can you try 
rendering the file with GraphEdit instead of your video player? if it 
reports "graph can't change state" on the crash point, then you're 
probably experiencing the bug i'm trying to solve now, if the error is 
different or if no error is reported but only crashes occurrs, please 
send me the USF file you created, and tell me the videoclip 
characteristics (codec, decoder, audio type); i'll try to reproduce it 
on my workstation.

Another bug i'm currently fixing is an infinite loop when "wrap" 
attribute is set to "auto" and a line longer than the video width needs 
to be rendered. So expect a bugfix release, but not a quick one since 
i'm quite busy in this period.

><text alignment="BottomCenter"><font color="#FFE1E1E1">USF <font color="#FFD20000">subtitles test</font></font></text></subtitle>
>
>But embeeded USF subtitles work, if look so:
><text><font color="#FFE1E1E1">USF </font><font color="#FFD20000">subtitles test</font></text></subtitle>
>
>  
>
@everybody: Is the first notation xml compliant? (i'm sure about the 
second one but not about the first one)

> Hi, thanks for testing. Can you try to make the USF subs with ChronoSub
>
>from http://sourceforge.net/projects/medusa intead please ? Maybe this 
>is an incompatibility between U96 and ChronoSub ?
>  
>
I found and solved a problem when creating USF files with ChronoSub, the 
Alpha channel value is inverted compared to USF specifications, so 
you'll se full transparent subtitles instead of opaque ones. A bugfix 
release is also planned in the short period for ChronoSub.

Thank you very much for the bug report.


From skaarj_ at mail.ru  Tue Jun 14 15:57:15 2005
From: skaarj_ at mail.ru (Skaarj)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:57:15 +0400
Subject: [Matroska-devel] USF subtitles
Message-ID: <E1DiBul-000D8b-00.skaarj_-mail-ru@f16.mail.ru>

Subtitles created by me in U96 (they on Russian:)) and videofile Xvid, with x264 (mpeg 4 AVC) all players crash too.

External USF subtitles works fine with all my videofiles.
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From chris at matroska.org  Wed Jun 15 07:26:49 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 07:26:49 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] DivX 6 with menues released
Message-ID: <42AFBC19.1070405@matroska.org>


http://www.divx.com/

ratDVD and DivX 6 .... we have to hurry up now it seems :D ! Has anyone 
checked if the ratDVD people have released their navigation filter 
sources already ?

Christian


From Skaarj_ at mail.ru  Thu Jun 16 16:09:49 2005
From: Skaarj_ at mail.ru (Skaarj_)
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 18:09:49 +0400
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: DivX 6 with menues released
References: <42AFBC19.1070405@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <op.ssguynpwu22ur5@skaarj.pyatachok.city.veganet.ru>

:) ????? ??? ???? ????????????, 21.06.05 ??????? VLC  0.8.2, ? ??? ??  
?????? ???? ? ???????? ?

:) for a long time already it is time to hurry,  VLC 0.8.2 will be  
released 21.06.05 in it we shall see menues in a Matroska?

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 09:26:49 +0400, Christian HJ Wiesner  
<chris at matroska.org> wrote:

>
> http://www.divx.com/
>
> ratDVD and DivX 6 .... we have to hurry up now it seems :D ! Has anyone  
> checked if the ratDVD people have released their navigation filter  
> sources already ?
>
> Christian




From diego at biurrun.de  Fri Jun 17 19:21:36 2005
From: diego at biurrun.de (Diego Biurrun)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 19:21:36 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: LinuxTAG 2005: Linux Video Booth
In-Reply-To: <20050528215244.43837021@caprice.artificis.hu>
References: <20050528215244.43837021@caprice.artificis.hu>
Message-ID: <20050617172136.GD13417@biurrun.de>

On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 09:52:44PM +0200, Alex Beregszaszi wrote:
> 
> Right now I invite all of you to participate, bring along your poster,
> beamer, notebook, whatever and spread the word.
> 
> If you know someone deeply interested in this, but didnt get this mail,
> please make him/her aware.
> 
> Thanks and awaiting all of you!

So far we will be Mike Melanson, Reimar D?ffinger, Alexander Strasser,
Roberto Togni, Sascha Sommer, Dominik Mierzejewski, Luca Barbato, Alex
Beregszaszi, Diego Biurrun.  Mans Rullgard will be making an appearance
for a day or two as well.

If anybody else wants to come along and join us at the booth, just speak
up, I'll add you to the booth staff and you will get an exhibitor pass
that will provide you free entrance.  Besides that I have 5 free
entrance vouchers to give out.  If you want one, drop me an email.  I
will give them out on a first come first served basis, but give
preference to poor students and similar creatures ;)

CU @ LinuxTag

Diego

P.S.: Michael, any chance that we can get you to leave Vienna for a
short period? ;-)


From paul at msn.com  Fri Jun 17 20:53:45 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Atamido)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 13:53:45 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: LinuxTAG 2005: Linux Video Booth
In-Reply-To: <20050617172136.GD13417@biurrun.de>
References: <20050528215244.43837021@caprice.artificis.hu>
	<20050617172136.GD13417@biurrun.de>
Message-ID: <d8v5ta$sft$1@sea.gmane.org>

Diego Biurrun wrote:
> On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 09:52:44PM +0200, Alex Beregszaszi wrote:
> 
>>Right now I invite all of you to participate, bring along your poster,
>>beamer, notebook, whatever and spread the word.
>>
>>If you know someone deeply interested in this, but didnt get this mail,
>>please make him/her aware.
>>
>>Thanks and awaiting all of you!
> 
> 
> So far we will be Mike Melanson, Reimar D?ffinger, Alexander Strasser,
> Roberto Togni, Sascha Sommer, Dominik Mierzejewski, Luca Barbato, Alex
> Beregszaszi, Diego Biurrun.  Mans Rullgard will be making an appearance
> for a day or two as well.

None of the Matroska folks near Germany want to go represent?


Atamido



From chris at matroska.org  Fri Jun 17 23:03:37 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:03:37 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: LinuxTAG 2005: Linux Video Booth
In-Reply-To: <d8v5ta$sft$1@sea.gmane.org>
References: <20050528215244.43837021@caprice.artificis.hu>	<20050617172136.GD13417@biurrun.de>
	<d8v5ta$sft$1@sea.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <42B33AA9.8040804@matroska.org>

Atamido schrieb:

> Diego Biurrun wrote:
>
>> On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 09:52:44PM +0200, Alex Beregszaszi wrote:
>>
>>> Right now I invite all of you to participate, bring along your poster,
>>> beamer, notebook, whatever and spread the word.
>>> If you know someone deeply interested in this, but didnt get this mail,
>>> please make him/her aware.
>>> Thanks and awaiting all of you!
>>
>> So far we will be Mike Melanson, Reimar D?ffinger, Alexander Strasser,
>> Roberto Togni, Sascha Sommer, Dominik Mierzejewski, Luca Barbato, Alex
>> Beregszaszi, Diego Biurrun.  Mans Rullgard will be making an appearance
>> for a day or two as well.
>
> None of the Matroska folks near Germany want to go represent?
> Atamido 

I was trying to spend one week in the office, after 105 travelling days 
abroad since 1st January. And what could i do, i dont even have Linux 
installed because i am too dumb for that :D !

Christian


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Sat Jun 18 00:05:54 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:05:54 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: LinuxTAG 2005: Linux Video Booth
In-Reply-To: <42B33AA9.8040804@matroska.org>
References: <20050528215244.43837021@caprice.artificis.hu>	<20050617172136.GD13417@biurrun.de>	<d8v5ta$sft$1@sea.gmane.org>
	<42B33AA9.8040804@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <42B34942.7000809@free.fr>

Christian HJ Wiesner a ?crit :
> Atamido schrieb:
> 
>> Diego Biurrun wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, May 28, 2005 at 09:52:44PM +0200, Alex Beregszaszi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Right now I invite all of you to participate, bring along your poster,
>>>> beamer, notebook, whatever and spread the word.
>>>> If you know someone deeply interested in this, but didnt get this mail,
>>>> please make him/her aware.
>>>> Thanks and awaiting all of you!
>>>
>>>
>>> So far we will be Mike Melanson, Reimar D?ffinger, Alexander Strasser,
>>> Roberto Togni, Sascha Sommer, Dominik Mierzejewski, Luca Barbato, Alex
>>> Beregszaszi, Diego Biurrun.  Mans Rullgard will be making an appearance
>>> for a day or two as well.
>>
>>
>> None of the Matroska folks near Germany want to go represent?
>> Atamido 
> 
> 
> I was trying to spend one week in the office, after 105 travelling days 
> abroad since 1st January. And what could i do, i dont even have Linux 
> installed because i am too dumb for that :D !

We were there last year with Tronic. It was not very interresting... 
It's hard to present a technology and not a final product like MPlayer.


From chris at matroska.org  Sun Jun 19 18:03:16 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:03:16 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Alpha testing of USF tools started publically
Message-ID: <42B59744.10704@matroska.org>


Hi,

we made the tools available as alphas to the public, lets now see what 
the reaction will be :

http://corecodec.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=1655&highlight=matroska

Christian


From Skaarj_ at mail.ru  Sun Jun 19 15:30:25 2005
From: Skaarj_ at mail.ru (Skaarj_)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 17:30:25 +0400
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: Matroska-devel Digest, Vol 26, Issue 9
References: <20050613100011.C3C9A440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
	<42ADAC64.6070501@email.it>
Message-ID: <op.ssmc4zd6u22ur5@skaarj.pyatachok.city.veganet.ru>

I have made simple subtitles in "ChronoSub_20050205" but they are not  
displayed,

Something with "styles" if them to replace with those that in U96  
subtitles are displayed,

And still I do not understand, in what business. The test in an  
investment, up to "Test4" everything is all right, then crash in all  
players.

__________

? ?????? ??????? ????????  ? "ChronoSub_20050205" ?? ??? ?? ????????????,

???-?? ?? "styles" ???? ?? ???????? ?? ?? ??? ? U96  ???????? ????????????,

? ??? ? ?? ???????, ? ??? ????, ???? ?? ????????, ?? "Test4" ??? ?  
???????, ????? ? ???? ??? ?????? ???????? ? ???????.
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From lucads at email.it  Mon Jun 20 20:15:26 2005
From: lucads at email.it (Luca Della Santina)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:15:26 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: USF- issues
In-Reply-To: <20050620100006.4646A440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
References: <20050620100006.4646A440048@p15097576.pureserver.info>
Message-ID: <42B707BE.40902@email.it>


>I have made simple subtitles in "ChronoSub_20050205" but they are not  
>displayed,
>
>Something with "styles" if them to replace with those that in U96  
>subtitles are displayed,
>  
>
ChronoSub_20050205 was affected by a bug, it encoded alpha channels 
opposite to USF definition (255 = opaque) so your opaque subtitles are 
transparent.
Please download the latest release (ChronoSub_20050619) in order to have 
this bug fixed.
Please also download the latest PixiShow build for rendering 
(PixiShow_20050619), even if there are still issues to solve (for 
example you need to enable in your ffdshow output options the voice 
"allow output format change during playback" otherwise you'll 
experiences crashes).

Thanks for the feedback.


From mik1983 at yandex.ru  Tue Jun 21 11:31:59 2005
From: mik1983 at yandex.ru (Mike)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:31:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Haali splitter input buffer
Message-ID: <loom.20050621T112035-350@post.gmane.org>

When using Light Alloy + ffdshow for watching films with h264-video in mkv Light 
Alloy sometimes hangs. It's a problem of this player, in others files open 
correctly. After setting input buffer size from default 8192 to 12192 everything 
goes fine. 
Maybe it's worth to increase this default. As far as i know many people use that 
player and some have this problem.



From anish_alexander at rediffmail.com  Fri Jun 24 12:20:41 2005
From: anish_alexander at rediffmail.com (Anish Cherian Alexander)
Date: 24 Jun 2005 10:20:41 -0000
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Add option to rip interactive features in
	dvdmenuxtractor
Message-ID: <20050624102041.24045.qmail@webmail46.rediffmail.com>

  
 Some dvds contain interactive features like 
? Script Viewer - compare the original script to final movie scenes.
? Image Gallery - see photos, sketches, or art from movie development.
? StoryBoard Viewer - compare story concept art to final movie scenes.
? Effects Studio - import your picture, become the experience.

which
can be accessed by using interactual player or pcfriendly available at
www.pcfriendly.com.It would be good if this feature was also enabled in
DVDMenuXtractor to be added with the final output in the matroska file.So the
encoded file will also contain these features .
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From chris at matroska.org  Sat Jun 25 00:00:16 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:00:16 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Add option to rip interactive features
	in	dvdmenuxtractor
In-Reply-To: <20050624102041.24045.qmail@webmail46.rediffmail.com>
References: <20050624102041.24045.qmail@webmail46.rediffmail.com>
Message-ID: <42BC8270.1060001@matroska.org>

Good idea !!! robux4 to answer .....

Christian

Anish Cherian Alexander schrieb:

>
> Some dvds contain interactive features like
> ? Script Viewer - compare the original script to final movie scenes.
> ? Image Gallery - see photos, sketches, or art from movie development.
> ? StoryBoard Viewer - compare story concept art to final movie scenes.
> ? Effects Studio - import your picture, become the experience.
>
> which
> can be accessed by using interactual player or pcfriendly available at
> www.pcfriendly.com.It would be good if this feature was also enabled in
> DVDMenuXtractor to be added with the final output in the matroska 
> file.So the
> encoded file will also contain these features .
>
>
>
> <http://clients.rediff.com/signature/track_sig.asp>
>
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From seelie at faireal.net  Sun Jun 26 02:47:29 2005
From: seelie at faireal.net (liisa)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:47:29 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] USF: PixiShow, Ruby Tested, a ChronoSub bug
In-Reply-To: <42B59744.10704@matroska.org>
References: <42B59744.10704@matroska.org>
Message-ID: <20050626094729ku6P5?@faireal.net>

Hi,

I'll resend this mail as the first one seemed to fail.

I had some time to test PixiShow a little.
Among other things, I tested Ruby.

Considering that this filter is still alpha,
the result is quite satisfactory.

Keep up your great work =)

For those who are interested,
GraphEdit/video screenshots,
sample USF and sample MKV are here:

http://usf.subforge.net/20050625.php

In my test, PixiShow_20050619.exe didn't regsvr32 properly,
so I regsvr32'ed the filter manually.

Plus, I had to configure Haali filter, so that
VSFitler compat. will be "No".


ChronoSub is poor at handling special characters.
For instance,

 Alice & Bob: Oh?

would be like this in SSA/ASS:

Dialogue: ... ,sty1,Alice & Bob,0000,0000,0000,,Oh?

ChronoSub converts it into this USF element:

<text style="sty1" speaker="Alice & Bob" effect="">

which should be

<text style="sty1" speaker="Alice &amp; Bob" effect="">

Liisachan



From seelie at faireal.net  Sat Jun 25 19:00:11 2005
From: seelie at faireal.net (liisa)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 02:00:11 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Embedded USF with RUBY, successful, demo
In-Reply-To: <E1DiBul-000D8b-00.skaarj_-mail-ru@f16.mail.ru>
References: <E1DiBul-000D8b-00.skaarj_-mail-ru@f16.mail.ru>
Message-ID: <20050626020011M4s-PQ@faireal.net>

Hi,

Finally I had some time to test PixiShow.
Considering that this filter is still alpha-ish,
the result is quite satisfactory.
Keep up your great work =)

For those who are interested,
GraphEdit/video screenshots,
sample USF and sample MKV are here:
Among other things, I tested Ruby.

http://usf.subforge.net/20050625.php

In my test, PixiShow_20050619.exe didn't regsvr32 properly,
so I regsvr32'ed the filter manually.

Btw ChronoSub is poor at handling special characters.
For instance,

 Alice & Bob: Oh?

would be like this in SSA/ASS:

Dialogue: ... ,sty1,Alice & Bob,0000,0000,0000,,Oh?

ChronoSub converts it into this USF element:

<text style="sty1" speaker="Alice & Bob" effect="">

which should be

<text style="sty1" speaker="Alice &amp; Bob" effect="">

Liisachan



From chris at matroska.org  Sun Jun 26 09:17:12 2005
From: chris at matroska.org (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 09:17:12 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Sync problems with Haali Splitter,
 when being used with XviD video decoder and CoreVorbis
Message-ID: <42BE5678.4050902@matroska.org>


Hi all, Hi Mike,

i am experiencing a strange bug  with a brand new 3 audio MKV ( made 
with mkvmerge 1.4.2 ), all Vorbis audio. I disabled ffdshow recently, as 
i had to face crashes of Explorer for MJPEG AVIs when ffdshow is 
installed on my system ( not even deactivating MJPEG decoding could stop 
it ). The movie is playing fine now with CoreVorbis ( from the 1.0.3 
pack ) and XviD or 3ivX MPEG4 decoder, but after seeking it will loose 
sync completely. This will also show because after seeking the audio is 
missing completely for several seconds. When audio returns, its off sync.

With 3ivX video decoder, also the picture would stutter from time to 
time. VLC can play the file perfectly.

Regards

Christian


From lucads at email.it  Sun Jun 26 11:48:34 2005
From: lucads at email.it (Luca Della Santina)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:48:34 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: USF: PixiShow, Ruby Tested, a ChronoSub bug
In-Reply-To: <20050626094729ku6P5?@faireal.net>
References: <42B59744.10704@matroska.org> <20050626094729ku6P5?@faireal.net>
Message-ID: <42BE79F2.3030001@email.it>

liisa wrote:

>For those who are interested,
>GraphEdit/video screenshots,
>sample USF and sample MKV are here:
>
>http://usf.subforge.net/20050625.php
>  
>
Very nice examples liisa, i'd like to ask you a favor to you: can you 
prepare a sample usf file with some advanced stuffs (mainly ruby & 
non-ANSI characters and what good comes in your mind) in order to deeply 
dest the filter?

>In my test, PixiShow_20050619.exe didn't regsvr32 properly,
>so I regsvr32'ed the filter manually.
>  
>
I'll provide a new installer with different filter registration this 
afternoon, i hope it'll work better than the previous regsvr32 stuff.

>Plus, I had to configure Haali filter, so that
>VSFitler compat. will be "No".
>  
>
I have to speak with Haali about this point.

>ChronoSub is poor at handling special characters.
>For instance,
>
> Alice & Bob: Oh?
>
>would be like this in SSA/ASS:
>
>Dialogue: ... ,sty1,Alice & Bob,0000,0000,0000,,Oh?
>
>ChronoSub converts it into this USF element:
>
><text style="sty1" speaker="Alice & Bob" effect="">
>
>which should be
>
><text style="sty1" speaker="Alice &amp; Bob" effect="">
>  
>
I didn't know about this needed conversion of the "&" character, i'll 
provide bugfixes as soon as possible, are there other special characters?

Thank you very much liisa.


From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Mon Jun 27 20:59:13 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:59:13 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Fwd: [vlc-devel] Google Video Viewer released
Message-ID: <1119898753.42c04c81dc104@imp2-q.free.fr>

Maybe it can read Matroska files too :D

----- Forwarded message from Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <i.sanchez at mirame.net> -----
    Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:49:05 +0200
    From: Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <i.sanchez at mirame.net>
Reply-To: vlc-devel at videolan.org
 Subject: [vlc-devel] Google Video Viewer released
      To: vlc-devel at videolan.org

Hi, folks

I noticed (via google.dirson) that "Google Video Viewer" is out, along with
the patch to VLC's source code.

http://video.google.com/video_download.html
http://code.google.com/patches.html
http://code.google.com/vlc-diff.txt

There is not much new functionality (in fact, they cripple VLC a bit), but
some patches to the activeX and mozilla plugins are woth a look.

Regards,
--
----------------------------------
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Eric Raymond:  I want to live in a world where software doesn't suck.
Richard Stallman:  Any software that isn't free sucks.
Linus Torvalds:  I'm interested in free beer.
Richard Stallman:  That's okay, as long as I don't have to drink it.  I
                   don't like beer.
        -- LinuxWorld Expo panel, 4 March 1999

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From jcsston at jory.info  Mon Jun 27 21:26:12 2005
From: jcsston at jory.info (Jory Stone)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 14:26:12 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Fwd: [vlc-devel] Google Video Viewer released
In-Reply-To: <1119898753.42c04c81dc104@imp2-q.free.fr>
References: <1119898753.42c04c81dc104@imp2-q.free.fr>
Message-ID: <42C052D4.5090305@jory.info>

Steve Lhomme wrote:
> Maybe it can read Matroska files too :D

John had looked at it and found that mkv support was commented out. :/
Along with many other formats. I'm guessing they did it to trim down the
size, their website says the download is about 1MB.

> 
> ----- Forwarded message from Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <i.sanchez at mirame.net> -----
>     Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 19:49:05 +0200
>     From: Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <i.sanchez at mirame.net>
> Reply-To: vlc-devel at videolan.org
>  Subject: [vlc-devel] Google Video Viewer released
>       To: vlc-devel at videolan.org
> 
> Hi, folks
> 
> I noticed (via google.dirson) that "Google Video Viewer" is out, along with
> the patch to VLC's source code.
> 
> http://video.google.com/video_download.html
> http://code.google.com/patches.html
> http://code.google.com/vlc-diff.txt
> 
> There is not much new functionality (in fact, they cripple VLC a bit), but
> some patches to the activeX and mozilla plugins are woth a look.
> 
> Regards,
> --
> ----------------------------------
> Iv?n S?nchez Ortega <i.sanchez at mirame.net> <ivansanchez at escomposlinux.org>
> 
> Eric Raymond:  I want to live in a world where software doesn't suck.
> Richard Stallman:  Any software that isn't free sucks.
> Linus Torvalds:  I'm interested in free beer.
> Richard Stallman:  That's okay, as long as I don't have to drink it.  I
>                    don't like beer.
>         -- LinuxWorld Expo panel, 4 March 1999
> 
> --
> This is the vlc-devel mailing-list, see http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
> To unsubscribe, please read http://developers.videolan.org/lists.html
> 
> 
> ----- End forwarded message -----
> 
> 
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From paul at msn.com  Tue Jun 28 06:10:35 2005
From: paul at msn.com (Atamido)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 23:10:35 -0500
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: Fwd: [vlc-devel] Google Video Viewer released
In-Reply-To: <42C052D4.5090305@jory.info>
References: <1119898753.42c04c81dc104@imp2-q.free.fr>
	<42C052D4.5090305@jory.info>
Message-ID: <d9qi6e$h3r$1@sea.gmane.org>

Jory Stone wrote:
> Steve Lhomme wrote:
> 
>>Maybe it can read Matroska files too :D
> 
> 
> John had looked at it and found that mkv support was commented out. :/
> Along with many other formats. I'm guessing they did it to trim down the
> size, their website says the download is about 1MB.

Here is the link he was looking at.
http://code.google.com/vlc-diff.txt

The relevant lines would be
-  !insertmacro RegisterExtensionSection ".mka"
-  !insertmacro RegisterExtensionSection ".mkv"
+;  !insertmacro RegisterExtensionSection ".avi"
+;  !insertmacro RegisterExtensionSection ".mpeg"
+;  !insertmacro RegisterExtensionSection ".mpg"

There doesn't seem to be any other reference to "Matroska" or "ebml" so 
it might be possible that someone could re-add those lines and just 
compile the plugin with the necessary libraries.


Atamido



From steve.lhomme at free.fr  Tue Jun 28 06:47:56 2005
From: steve.lhomme at free.fr (Steve Lhomme)
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:47:56 -0700
Subject: [Matroska-devel] [Fwd: [vlc-devel] Re: Google Video Viewer released]
Message-ID: <42C0D67C.5060101@free.fr>

Other info on this...

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: [vlc-devel] Re: Google Video Viewer released
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:11:23 -0700
From: Ross Finlayson <finlayson at live.com>
Reply-To: vlc-devel at videolan.org
To: vlc-devel at videolan.org
References: <200506271949.05892.i.sanchez at mirame.net>


>There is not much new functionality (in fact, they cripple VLC a bit)

FYI, here is the "configure" line that they appear to use (for some odd
reason, it's embedded as a string in the "googlevlc.exe" binary):

configure --disable-sdl --disable-gtk --enable-nls --disable-smb
--disable-theora --with-freetype-config-path=/usr/win32/bin
--with-fribidi-config-path=/usr/win32/bin --disable-livedotcom
--disable-caca --with-xml2-config-path=/usr/win32/bin --disable-dvdnav
--disable-dvdread --disable-cdda --disable-cddax --disable-vcd
--disable-vcdx --disable-goom --disable-toolame --disable-mkv
--disable-httpd --disable-screen --disable-quicktime --disable-libmpeg2
--disable-vorbis --disable-speex --disable-png --disable-x264
--disable-cmml --disable-x11 --disable-xvideo --disable-glx
--disable-freetype --disable-fribidi --disable-libxml2 --disable-alsa
--disable-waveout --disable-joystick --disable-skins2 --disable-dts
--disable-mod --disable-faad --disable-flac --disable-smb --disable-dvbpsi
--disable-libcdio --disable-libcddb --disable-ogg --disable-a52
--without-a52 --enable-optimizations --enable-wxwindows
--with-wx-config-path=/usr/win32/bin --enable-mozilla
--with-mozilla-sdk-path=/cygdrive/d/gecko-sdk.1.7.6 --disable-debug
--enable-release --disable-sout --enable-ffmpeg --disable-mad

Some comments:
- They don't include the LIVE.COM RTSP client code :-(, so apparently the
client is intended to receive streams over HTTP only.  (This is a pity,
because it will prevent their viewer from being used to play (e.g.) 3GPP
and ISMA streams.)
- They omit many third-party codecs - in particular mpeg-2, faad, ogg, 
and a52
- However, they *include* FFMPEG, which gives them MPEG-4 video.  (I'm not
sure what their audio is - perhaps MP3?)

This raises the big question: What has Google done about the (presumably
numerous) patents covered by the FFMPEG code?  Google's a US company, so
they can't ignore software patents.  Have they bought a license from
MPEG-LA (covering the MPEG-4 video patents implemented by FFMPEG)?  If so,
this is the first time I've heard of GPL MPEG codec software being legally
licensed.

Can anyone tell us what the deal is here?

         Ross.


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From seelie at faireal.net  Wed Jun 29 01:55:07 2005
From: seelie at faireal.net (liisa)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 08:55:07 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: USF: PixiShow, Ruby Tested, a ChronoSub bug
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Hi,

Luca Della Santina <lucads at email.it> wrote:

> liisa wrote:
> 
> >For those who are interested,
> >GraphEdit/video screenshots,
> >sample USF and sample MKV are here:
> >
> >http://usf.subforge.net/20050625.php
> >  
> >
> Very nice examples liisa, i'd like to ask you a favor to you: can you 
> prepare a sample usf file with some advanced stuffs (mainly ruby & 
> non-ANSI characters and what good comes in your mind) in order to deeply 
> dest the filter?

I'll see what I can do, Im a bit busy atm
but I'd like to test USF features more, in the near future.

BTW, USF specs are already finalized?
Against which specs am I supposed to test it?


> 
> >In my test, PixiShow_20050619.exe didn't regsvr32 properly,
> >so I regsvr32'ed the filter manually.
> >  
> >
> I'll provide a new installer with different filter registration this 
> afternoon, i hope it'll work better than the previous regsvr32 stuff.
> 
> >Plus, I had to configure Haali filter, so that
> >VSFitler compat. will be "No".
> >  
> >
> I have to speak with Haali about this point.
> 
> >ChronoSub is poor at handling special characters.
> >For instance,
> >
> > Alice & Bob: Oh?
> >
> >would be like this in SSA/ASS:
> >
> >Dialogue: ... ,sty1,Alice & Bob,0000,0000,0000,,Oh?
> >
> >ChronoSub converts it into this USF element:
> >
> ><text style="sty1" speaker="Alice & Bob" effect="">
> >
> >which should be
> >
> ><text style="sty1" speaker="Alice &amp; Bob" effect="">
> >  
> >
> I didn't know about this needed conversion of the "&" character, i'll 
> provide bugfixes as soon as possible, are there other special characters?

It's XML.
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/

At least you MUST escape &, <, and > as &amp;, &lt;, and &gt;
and single-quote character (') MAY be represented as "&apos;"
http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#syntax

Otherwise, general XML parsing lib will be foobered and complain 
it's not a well-format xml.

I have yet another big question about ChronoSub.
Doesn't it have [G]?--I mean [G] as in Sub Station Alpha or in 
Sabbu, the key to "Grab" the timing.
I can edit things on ChronoSub but I cannot time from WAV,
which means, basically no fansubbers will use this.


> 
> Thank you very much liisa.
> 


PixiShow is going to be the USF renderer?
Or is it going to be support SRT/SSA etc in the end?
It'd be great if it's going to be an alternative VSFilter,
just like Haali vs Gabest Splitter.
VSFilter is reallly great, but having a second option is 
generally very helpful in many meanings.

Keep up your great job!! :)



From seelie at faireal.net  Wed Jun 29 02:07:10 2005
From: seelie at faireal.net (liisa)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 09:07:10 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] Re: USF: PixiShow, Ruby Tested, a ChronoSub bug
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	<20050629085507+8deZF@faireal.net>
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> At least you MUST escape &, <, and > as &amp;, &lt;, and &gt;
> and single-quote character (') MAY be represented as "&apos;"
> http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#syntax

I mean, if you want to put the charcter ' in '' 
then the character ' have to be escaped as &apos;

if you want to put the character " in ""
then the character " have to be escaped as &quot;

<foo bar="It's OK">
<foo bar='It's not OK'>
<foo bar='It&apos;s OK too'>

<foo bar="Quotation "like this" is not OK">
<foo bar="Quotation &quot;like this&quot; is OK">
<foo bar='Quotation "like this" is OK too'>



From lucads at email.it  Thu Jun 30 20:30:12 2005
From: lucads at email.it (Luca Della Santina)
Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 20:30:12 +0200
Subject: [Matroska-devel] PixiShow & ChronoSub
In-Reply-To: <20050629100009.21002440046@p15097576.pureserver.info>
References: <20050629100009.21002440046@p15097576.pureserver.info>
Message-ID: <42C43A34.1070205@email.it>


>I'll see what I can do, Im a bit busy atm
>but I'd like to test USF features more, in the near future.
>
>BTW, USF specs are already finalized?
>Against which specs am I supposed to test it?
>
>  
>
USF scpecs are not finalized so there is room for improvements. You can 
test against the latests unmei's proposals 
(http://usf.corecodec.org/proposal).
Unfortunatrly i'm also a bit busy with work during these weeks, so don't 
expect any updates until the end of the next week.

>At least you MUST escape &, <, and > as &amp;, &lt;, and &gt;
>and single-quote character (') MAY be represented as "&apos;"
>http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#syntax
>
>Otherwise, general XML parsing lib will be foobered and complain 
>it's not a well-format xml.
>  
>
I'll change ChronoSub according to your suggestions as soon as possible, 
Thank you.

>I have yet another big question about ChronoSub.
>Doesn't it have [G]?--I mean [G] as in Sub Station Alpha or in 
>Sabbu, the key to "Grab" the timing.
>I can edit things on ChronoSub but I cannot time from WAV,
>which means, basically no fansubbers will use this.
>  
>
In ChronoSub there is no need of a [Grab] button: After you created a 
new script and opened the audio file for timing, simply select the audio 
interval of the sentence you want to sub, then write the spoken text in 
the dialogue textbox and hit Enter key (in the dialogue textbox), a new 
subtitle with the selected time interval will be added to the list, 
quite faster than having to press [Grab] everytime.
Similarly, you can change a certain subtitle's timing by selecting the 
subtitle from the grid, changing the audio start/end points from the 
waveform displayer and hitting Enter key in the text dialogue, the 
current line will be updated with the new times (or the new dialogue if 
you changed it).

>PixiShow is going to be the USF renderer?
>Or is it going to be support SRT/SSA etc in the end?
>It'd be great if it's going to be an alternative VSFilter,
>just like Haali vs Gabest Splitter.
>VSFilter is reallly great, but having a second option is 
>generally very helpful in many meanings.
>  
>
PixiShow actually supports only usf, i'd like to have a good support of 
that format before expanding capabilities.But I also like to extend 
PixiShow format support to srt /ssa /ass, so it can be a valid 
alternative to VSFilter.
The road is long, and i need to work more with unmei in order to realize 
a good multiformat architecture for the renderer.

>I mean, if you want to put the charcter ' in '' 
>then the character ' have to be escaped as &apos;
>
>if you want to put the character " in ""
>then the character " have to be escaped as &quot;
>
><foo bar="It's OK">
><foo bar='It's not OK'>
><foo bar='It&apos;s OK too'>
>
><foo bar="Quotation "like this" is not OK">
><foo bar="Quotation &quot;like this&quot; is OK">
><foo bar='Quotation "like this" is OK too'>
>
>  
>
Very clear examples liisa, thank you very much. :)


From seelie at faireal.net  Thu Jun 30 21:32:22 2005
From: seelie at faireal.net (liisa)
Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 04:32:22 +0900
Subject: [Matroska-devel] PixiShow & ChronoSub
In-Reply-To: <42C43A34.1070205@email.it>
References: <20050629100009.21002440046@p15097576.pureserver.info>
	<42C43A34.1070205@email.it>
Message-ID: <20050630193905.7EB3944003F@p15097576.pureserver.info>

Luca Della Santina <lucads at email.it> wrote:

> >At least you MUST escape &, <, and > as &amp;, &lt;, and &gt;
> >and single-quote character (') MAY be represented as "&apos;"
> >http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-xml/#syntax
> >
> >Otherwise, general XML parsing lib will be foobered and complain 
> >it's not a well-format xml.
> >  
> >
> I'll change ChronoSub according to your suggestions as soon as possible, 
> Thank you.

Maybe you can add more white spaces for better readability.

IIRC, the current ChronoSub doesn't put \r\n in USF,
so the resulted USF is quite messy--a single, very long line,
which is machine-readable, but not really human-readable.

> >I have yet another big question about ChronoSub.
> >Doesn't it have [G]?--I mean [G] as in Sub Station Alpha or in 
> >Sabbu, the key to "Grab" the timing.
> >I can edit things on ChronoSub but I cannot time from WAV,
> >which means, basically no fansubbers will use this.
> >  
> >
> In ChronoSub there is no need of a [Grab] button: After you created a 
> new script and opened the audio file for timing, simply select the audio 
> interval of the sentence you want to sub, then write the spoken text in 
> the dialogue textbox and hit Enter key (in the dialogue textbox), a new 
> subtitle with the selected time interval will be added to the list, 

Well, that's not how subbing is supposed to work, at least among 
typical (english-language) anime fansubbers. What's actually 
done is, as you might already know well...
(1) A translator makes a script in .txt. He/she can concentrate 
on translating. (i.e. meaning of the conversations etc)
(2) An editor edits (1). He/she can concentrate on editing. 
(expression, grammar, typo)
(3) A timer times (2) converting it into ssa/ass. He/she can 
concentrate on timing without bothring about other things.
(4) A typesetter typesets (3). He/she can concentrate on it.
(5) An encoder encode/mux with (4). He/she can concentrate on it.
(6) A QCer QCes (5). He/she can concentrate on it.

You are assuming the same person will do (1) and (2) and (3) at 
the same time on ChronoSub, which is possible but not very 
efficient. One thing at one time is a better way.

I know at least one team used Medusa,
but at this rate, only a few fansub teams will use ChronoSub,
and many ohters won't even know the existance of USF.

However, ChronoSub might be good for 'homeusers' who do 
everything alone, not wanting high quality.

> quite faster than having to press [Grab] everytime.

I doubt it. Let's say, you can translate a 30-min anime 
ep in 3 hours if you don't have to time it. Then a timer can 
time it in 15 ~ 45 min, using the one-finger method in Sub 
Station Alpha or in Sabbu. So the total cost is 3.5 hours.

If you do the same thing (translating+timing) on ChronoSub,
it'll take more time, maybe 4-5 hours? since both translating 
and timing need high concentration and you'll get easily tired, 
and get slow down.

You don't have to "click" [Grab] everytime. You can just hit [G] 
like in Vi Editor. Hitting a single key in the home position 
is the fastest after all. Besides, how can you Karaoke in 
ChronoSub?

> Similarly, you can change a certain subtitle's timing by selecting the 
> subtitle from the grid, changing the audio start/end points from the 
> waveform displayer and hitting Enter key in the text dialogue, the 
> current line will be updated with the new times (or the new dialogue if 
> you changed it).

Can't you do [D] (play the last 0.5sec of the selection) on 
ChrnoSub for instance?  Are you forced to listen to the entire 
selection of WAV for a line, to check the timing for it?

An experienced timer can decide the Start/End time just by 
listening to the first and last 0.5 sec of the 10 sec selection. 
In other words, you can time a 10 sec line within a few second.
So I won't agree with your "quite faster than..." because your 
method will take at least 10 sec to time a 10 sec line.

If what you said were true, fansubbers (especially speed subbers) 
would be using ChrnoSub by now, because it would be "quite 
faster" than using Sub Staion Alpha etc.

In reality that never happens, because that's not true.

Please don't misunderstand me: I'm not saying ChrnoSub is 
useless. It has a few nice features that Sub Station Alpha 
didn't have, like Unicode Support (altho Sabbu is already better).

What I'd really like to say is, ChrnoSub could be even better 
and would be accepted by general subbers if it had keyboard 
shortcuts like Sub Staion Alpha's [A][S][D][F][G].
Sub Station Alpha can time more than one methods--you can do 
everything by mouse clicks (slower but easier for new users);
or you can use keyboard shortcuts (needs some practice but much 
faster).
It'll be nice if ChronoSub had similarly several timing methods, 
so that the user could choose the best one for him/her...

Best regards

Liisachan